HomeMy WebLinkAbout1987-09-15-HFA-min HANSCOM FIELD ADVISORY COMMISSION
September 15 , 1987 -
MINUTES OF THE MEETING
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In attendance were
Peter Barker Lexington
Michelle Matteo Bedford
Rich Theriault Lincoln
Ed Farnsworth Carlisle
Liz Banks Lexington Minute Man
A] Schmertzler Lincoln
E"rl••r R 7,t Hanscom, Pilots Assoc
Donald Wilson HPA
Dee Sheparl Massport
C1 -.ire Cuhringhanr Lincoln
Da rid Boodman Lexington
Elaine Engleber„c Lexington
Eugene Lee Lexington Rep to JRTC
Robert S chaebale Jet Aviation
John Valle Beechcraft
Robert Lombardo Beechcraft
F D Samford Gillette
N_ rm.�ri Fled" � * Raytheon
:.1=. La.=riia_ Lexington
La; lel Fcrt ier MARC
Lem hcSweene , Lexington
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Mary Ann L nJ er t Le} ingtor:
Brad Counir a Acton
Francesca de 4 Massport
Graydon Whea±cr. CAPA
Reginald Murphy Lexington
Peter Franks Lexington
Marcia Bushnell Lexington
Mary Ayvazian Lexington
David Needham Lexington
Jacquelyn Smith .Massport/Lexington
John Vitagliano 'Massport
Pat Moscari olo Massport
Paul Nace Massport
David Davis Massport
Tom C'amrs Massport
Robert Domi,it: Merriam Hill Assn•
M Wra>=v. Beechcraft
Michael D�ac Jet Aviation
?ar Framer L W V
1 Minutes Francesca de Van corrected the statement under other to
read Fred Marcus advised members that he had no objections to being
quoted ir IDresF rele-ise issued by Massport Peter Barker , Lexington
representative as]'ed that a statement be included regarding the
railroad spur He said that Massport 's interest in acquiring the
railroad spur was to gain access to a portion of land to be used for
possible commercial development Joyce Hals added that another
purpose was the protection of the FAA instrument landing system
2 Statistics and Planning Report Joyce Hals provided the members
with a monthly operations report showing monthly totals since 1978 , as
well as monthly EXP, night operations and complaints for the month of
June , July and August She told the members that the report showed
2000 fewer operations in June compared to May There was an increase
of business jets and multi engine propeller operations Night
operations increased substantially The EXP for June , without
military operations was 110 , with the military operations it was
111 4 and the total including singles was 112 7
Jul" c rtirii v-iimiler to June , but showed a decrease in the
f etand li1 t cjiOiu cperations The number of night
operations de -reased blightlt. from 104 in June to 90 in July The
breakdown wan 0] iet multi-engine , 31 singles and 6 helicopter
Tn- FYI: for ,711] v withut military operations was 108 7 ,
with the militar\ , peraticr it was 110 2 , and the total including
singles was 111 9
The August opeIati,n; re :Id the highest number for one month since
1978 , with a total of ',(= 94u There were thirty days of perfect
weather , which was \ , ry unusual There were , however , fewer jet
operaticr m r m lIt and m-,re touch-and-go flights Night
crelF,tion wee 1 - wn frmr 90 tc 78 The breakdown was 16 lets
1singies i 1 17 helicopters Helicopter operations
in :reased letcupter , a c0- arter service , has a new cuntract
wiih I ci fr, „7-11- corn): any and must be at Logan before 7 P., M ea,c
cJ Tn, rilot u cnn Jis -tatemert Procedures and reaches altitude
bef-re leaving H rh_ :cm
Hals alsm summ--,rize-J TIHT: : tat11:1,. of the summer measurement program , as
described J_n the handout frcm Harris Miller Miller Hanson ( HMMH )
Massport s interns monitored each landing and departure at Hanscom
from 7 A N to 11 F M Jr additior , HMMH coliected noise data at five
locatior a which included sites in the Great Meadows , the Minuteman
Park , Farker School the North Lexington area and in Concord off
Runway 29 The data is being analyzed and a report should be due late
fall
Barker suggested that nicht operations should be monitored from 11
F M to 7 A M , nmt just from E or 6 30 A M He also said
publicizing the noise complaint number brings more involvement Mrs
Engleberg , a Lexington resident told members that she kept a log of
noisy planes and made 02 complaints in July , vet the July statistics
only show,-, a tot ] of inr complaints She asked for an explanation
Joyce Hale referring tc the July data indicated that if one person
cal Is on ,_)he oi with a ( f general corplaints it is counted as
one complaint if however a caller complains explicitly on one day
ah, tt (- L 1—,14 nudF% operatic ns it i c,,unted as
n1: -1 I
Fichard Theriault said this procedure has been discussed before and
that HFAC d E, rut agree c. ith Massport F method of tabulating
complaints It is not clear that a noisy operation or a normal
operation is something that we cannot do something about He said the
FAA standards are not necessarily acceptable to the towns
Bob Domnitz asked if local flights are included in the single EXP
count and was told that the question would be looked into and an
answer provided at the next meeting
Mrs Engleberg emphasized that she made multiple calls , and carefully
records planes , therefore if she calls in 46 complaints there were 46
planes
Michelle Matteo , Chairman of the HFAC ,
said that the noise subcommittee was planning to evaluate complaints
and how they should be handled
Mrs Gombardo a Ballard St , Lexington resident said she has called
_ f flight - mi-�, is c her between 6-6 30 A M and said she is
tired f talking int , a machine She said that Massport is not
getting the f1,l1 number of complaints because of the recording machine
and that t}-!,= re,,po, t the complaints are not very satisfactory
Feter Barker added that people don t like the mac-hine , and those who
call often should be taken seriously The program should look at how
rr,anv new pe:ple are calling and that other means of communicating is
needed
Alan Lazaru a Lel ing' cui resident , told members that the system takes
time and t}i;t cE_r,ilai:!t - - show up in the statistics , so your voice
is not ln.` t Th(- flnctna' iCn- from month to month shows the source of
the call._ indlcate trend
Air-Port - tlu! Agenda David 41 Davis , e' ecutive director of
Massport outlile_l a four point plan to improve safety and efficiency
at Logan Airport and outlined what impact the plan would have on
Hanscom Field He described Logan as a first come first serve
airport , w}- ere air traffic controllers treat small engine planes and
727 s in the same wa:, Davis said the program will impose a minimum
fee structure for general aviation He said this fee would make about
half of the general aviation flights disappear as short trips to Logan
( 150 miles or less ) would not be made , and this would pose no load on
other airports A small number of flights , seven percent would be
diverted to other airports such as Beverly , Stow , Norwood , and
Hanscom In a worse case scenario , given preliminary analyses , it
appears that up to nine flights would be diverted among other
airports A second point cf the program outlines that Massport will
ask the Nee. Ei!g1 mn 3 FAP =ride to establish a special discretionary
fund airport assistance for those airports such as
Worcester, who want to eKvand to better serve their residents
M= ,st - rt will al_e _ gather and distribute information ab-,ut airline
policies concerning cancellations , overbookings , lost luggage and
other ser"r -E_ ^inally , Davis supp-,rted Governor Dukakis .
- i - t; ai in it would be c nt eift_cti e and would
attract thousand _ f t} .- .E,'_ sten/N ,Y air passengers wh:, now fly to New
York t}-rough Logan
Farnscoo rth al - a:=1-ed if the tunnel construction would have an
imtelct D i . 'h, i)cht that the tunnel plus the road system in the
Bm`t,n,i area i ` le<o?ljn,ing very congested and may divert passengers to
Manchester , Green , or Portland airports
Francesca deVan commented on an earlier statement made by Richard
Theriault She said the 9 5 flights would be spread throughout
several regional airports and not as suggested only to Hanscom She
also said the type of aircraft (single engine props) would not impact
the EXP
Theriault 's response is that it is all speculation Capacity drives
Logan and Hanscom is no different Noise is a concern but against
operations noise will be secondary
Michelle Matted brought up the subiect of in lieu of tax payments
She asked that if the towns were to find an economic analysis of
Hanscoms f tnan: ial situation w mold Massport abide by the
recommendations' Iia\ is answered that Hanscom loses money because of
t}-- f +t Hirr - rt }_„- t},:st }-i knew how he could make it
profitable He said Macsport F books are open but he would not agree
to her suggt t, t i _ i
Alan^ rear}-Fc' t}-,=+ ;.et'F:ap: it is time to have incentives for
quieter aircraft
Feter Barker added that he prefers specific actions to reduce
operations at Logar su ,h as the high speed rail concept rather than
diverting aircraft to other airports
l 'rr T,, ,d Fur-}1 - _ Rei:r,i t Joyce Hals distributed a summary
of Ma i pr rt e`er _ Ji,: f,2 i rite- e T ii, purchase of the property as well
a letter Ii _} iti'}-,iio Leclf-rd' s T,wn Administrator with an offer
to grant a un-`gear cc tis-r\ %-lti , n restriction on property She noted
that the Com? is FIon had requested that the property be given to the
Town of Pedf" -d bit that the Massport Board would not agree and that
they coiit i 6 er-..d PC) year t be very generous White s response to the
offer is that he feels 50 ve,r: is a short period of time and would
prefer to ha\ e an olption at that time to renew the easement or to
purchase the l=irid frcm Mart Mr Davis has agreed to consider
this option
Robert Domnitz stated he thought purchase of the property is outside
of the terms of the Master Plan since no housing has been proposed for
the area and that he did nut see the difference between houses in that
location compared to others in the area Joyce Hals commented that
the area has potential for housing and the contour lines are between
65-70 Ldn, making it undesiratle Peter Barker stated that the
conflict is that the Commission voted 9-2 that the land should be
given tc Bedford Rich Theriault added that frorr a planning point of
view: it is underst =,ndaMe tut it could als _ be land banking and the
towns could use it for housing Michelle Mattec concluded that the
HFAC letter stands and if the l ar is deeded as conservation land the
Commission i= it agrees
to := i}_, n:r �ttf-e R.etc rt Richard Theriault read the attached
report fur the period of July, through September 1987 He also added
that the Committee will be meeting on the second Tuesday of each
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6 Operations Subcommittee L,eport In the absence of Bill Sohni ,
T=!iri
Wraga of FE-e h,_ raft presented information on operations He
said they looked at how the 320 , 000 operations limit discussed in the
Master Flan had been reached It was based on forecasts , actual
understanding of the capacity of the facilities of the field and
consideration of various constraints such as weather and limited night
flights The actual capacity is much closer to 426 , 000 annual
operations but the projection was greater than actual use Joyce Hale
added that she had recently met with Bill Sohni and Jim Meregeas , the
tower chief, and computed an estimate of the number of operations
feasible under ideal weather conditions for seven months of the year
and poor conditions the remaining five months They concluded that
the most flights forecasted under those ideal conditions would be in
the order of 325 000 per year Peter Barker objected to the fact that
the Operations Subcommittee had met informing members in advance
Norman Fredk iri said he E aw no problem because they were simply
reporting on how a number war derived at and riot making a policy
decision
7 GEIS Update Norman Faramelli distributed an outline of the final
GEIP and described a few of the changes He said the effects of
single engine aircraft onerat inn=• on the EXP total are now included ,
the air a a i iti' al t? =,f fl : ; - :tions were changed , the drainage
se=ction n,, dified an- a Tim neiti, added dealing with comments arid
responses to the Draft The final will be ready in a few weeks for
d'stribution to the GE_ I, ih mm ttr
Peter Barkei Fa1 ,1 h,- was glad TLE- responses have been added Bob
PomnitTi arke d if anv comment; were included frcm Lexington Faramelli
a swei ed t}'jai r.'1'1 I ? .- users it luded from Bedfr rd Lincoln arid
foTh l t1 1=17 t I ,r, . _ Iit- )i rip Engleberg asked why Le_ irigtori
had “ t rasp n i t n , r i'" til ",_r'nt at the meeting provided an answer
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The final p in made b\ Davis was that if the plan does not work , the
possibility of another airport would be difficult to achieve due to
the problem; associated with a populated area The only possible way
to deal with the problem might be to adopt joint use of already
established military fields such as Pease or Fort Devens
Peter Barker he supported the high speed rail He said that the
number of aircraft diverted appears not to be alarming but wondered
how many and what type are expected to come to Hanscom Davis
responded it would be a very small number diverted He did not
anticipate the larger business jets to be diverted because even a fee
of $250 00 would not be too great a financial burden for the
operators Barker also asked about the Greiner Plan and if it meant
improvement of the facility or expansion Davis s said Hanscom needs
to be improved because of its tatty appearance
Fic•hard Theriault remarked that the 7% diversion could mean up to 92
operations per day Even a 45-SC) operations per day diverted from
Logan coul -3 have 1 significant impact on Hanscorr ,, and expressed
concern about diversion ani the effect on EXF Mr Davis responded that
if the world goes crazy then we will have to look at the situation"
Fob Dom,rrits stated he t}-roug}- t that landing fees were a good idea and
they shanld happen at Hanscom also Would landing fees at Hanscom
force aircraft elsewhere' Davis thought they would not
Jane Farmer suggested that inc rear ing fees between 11 P M and 7 A M
might stop some traffic and the transfers from Logan to Hanscom might
increase night problem,_
Ed Farnsworth ar3;rd if diskla - ing traffi= from Logan may impact
Hanscom bev,,nr wh=t is anticipated and what other variable might do so
Davis ca% e several ways he could foreee additional traffic at Hanscom
i Bu ine frustrated by delays may purchase
t ip-H e! - at ( l 1fl i,,,) f1 out c,f Han cor,
Or] gi n-acid-der t inat ion commuter airlines could operate from
Hans n,r,
3 Small Fackacr care!, service is also a possibility
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The noise subrommitLeE has brpn meeting throughout the summer
months in an e+for+ to e amino several rh�nges at HAFB and
assess the potential for adverse noise relaLed impacts. These
changes are as .follow-i,
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light of contrit ttino in n impru ed noise abatement program New
prugram" are beu/ci crn .F; dr: rrd (Jr implrFment.,tzun -oIII, uf th
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ab-temeot at HAEL
| he subcommittee has determined th,at thE isS,uEs be+ore it cannot
be managed with infrequent meetings and have set up a regular
meeting schedule Most meetings will occur -am- on the seLonu
tuesda, of tho morth , in the Mas,,Fpor+ conferenrt., room.
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