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SELECTMEN'S MEETING
December 6, 1962
A special meeting of the Board of Selectmen was
held in the Selectmen's Room, Town Office Building,
on Thursday, December -6, 1962, at 7:30 P.M. Chair-
man Adams, Messrs. Cole, Richards, Brown and Burnell
were present. Miss Murray, Executive Clerk, was
also present.
Budgets were acted on as follows:
Collector - Expenses 3-B referred back to Collector
for the 1962 approved amounts.
Mr. Burnell opened a discussion relative to central
purchasing and the Chairman suggested that action be
deferred until after the employment of an Executive
Assistant.
The Chairman read a letter from the Town Accountant
in which he questioned an invoice, received from the
Civil Defense Department, in the amount of $43.40 for
accessories and repairs to the Director's automobile.
The Clerk was instructed to ask Mr. Burrell,
Director, for an explanation.
Assessors - Expenses 6-B to be discussed with the
Board of Assessors on Monday, December 10.
Board of Appeals Expenses 9-B The Chairman stated
that, as a matter ofinformation, he would like an
explanation as to the reason for the increase over
the past three years in the item for Office Supplies
which was $500 in 1961, #650 in 1962 and $720 'requested
for 1963.
Board of Health - Expenses 11-B; Engineering 11-C;.
Dental Clinic 12-B; Posture Clinic 13-B to be dis-
cussed with the Board of Health on Monday, December
10. The Rabies Clinic budget 11-E was approved
for the amount requested, $975.
Veterans' Day - Expenses apprave1 $200 as requested.
Memorial Day - Expenses The Clerk was instructed to
ask Mr. Healy, Chairman of the Memorial Day Committee,
for a breakdown of the $500 requested.
Town Celebrations Committee - Expenses approved $5,000
as reques ed.
Capital Expenditures Committee - Expenses approved $50
as requetted.
Historic Districts Commission - Expenses Approved $400
as requested.
Standing School Building Committee - Fxpenses approved
$600.
At 9:00 P.M., the Standing School Building Com-
mittee, representatives of the School Committee, Re-
creation Committee, Appropriation Committee and Capital
Expenditures Committee, met with the Board.
The Chairman stated the joint meeting was scheduled
to discuss the situation at the central playground in
relation to plans for the proposed new Senior High School
and what could be done to change the jurisdiction of the
land and put it under the new High School program and
thereby• receive State aid.
Mr. Fisher reported th-.t his Committee met with
the Building Assistance Commission about a month ago.
He explained that any development is eligible for State
aid as soon as certain things are done. He said the
main thing at the moment is to have in the Committee's
general plot plan all those things considered to be
part of the expansion of the facilities for the High
School. He said he believed no other action would have
to be taken this evening. He explained the other thing
is, it does not matter whether the building committee
does this work or not, and stated that the work Mr.
Carroll has already done on the central playground,
authorized after the first authorization of the build-
ing in 1960, is part of the project so when the build-
ing is completed and the Committee turns in a claim,
it will be under the jurisdiction of the school. He
said that first, the facilities involved must relate
to the building project and second, the land and facili-
ties must be included in the plot plan the Committee
submits to the Commission and third, at the time the
Committee asks for State aid, the facilities must be
under the jurisdiction, legally, of the School Committee.
He suggested including all the central playground and
all the land of the dump area as far as Middleby Road.
He said the question of jurisdiction, as far as he could
tell, does not have to be settled until some time before
the Committee asks the State to put this under State aid.
He explained that State aid is 46% so it is worthwhile.
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Mr. Kent said the Committee has to fill out forms
and the estimate can be changed each year. When the
Commission adds up the entire project, it then makes
the determination whether a particular item can be in-
cluded or not.
The Chairman said the Committee was suggesting
that the entire playground be included.
Mr. Fisher said he did not think they could go
beyond that, not beyond the break at Middleby Road.
The Chairman said it would not be necessary to
appropriate money for this work and Mr. Fisher said
that was correct.
The Chairman asked if this would hurry the de-
velopment of the playground and Mr. Fisher replied
that it might.
Mr. Richards said there is no assurance that the
Committee will receive State aid.
Mr. Kent explained that the major factor, and an
absolute minimum essential, is that it be put under
the control of the School Committee. He said there
are some phases he doubted would be approved, but there
appears to be a good chance that the items on Mr. Snowts
plan, the new football field, would be approved..
Mr. Fisher said the Building Assistance Commission
might give an informal opinion regarding approval and
suggested what is and what is not within its jurisdiction.
He stated that if nothing is put in, nothing will be
obtained, and if it is put in, it may not be approved.
Mr. Richards said it seemed to him that such
facilities as the tennis courts which have been op-
erating for a long time would not be included.
Mr. Fisher said aid would not be given on fixing up
general facilities.
Mr. Richards said the track which has been modi-
fied and used by the School, could be included and
also stated that the question of distance from the
school buildings must be considered.
Mr.Kent said it is reasonably used in connection
with the school.
Mr. Richards asked if the distance from the school
buildings to the area reasonably close enough to be
used, being within walking distance.
Mr. Fisher said it would be advisable to put the
field over there and have the physical education
facilities close in. However, if that is done, it
will be necessary to move the enclosed field to put
the physical education fields closer to the building.
Mr. Kent asked if having the facilities under
the jurisdiction of the school took anything away
from recreational uses.
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Mr. Richards replied that it means the decision
is made by the School Committee instead of the Select-
man.
Mr. Kelly said, with regard to the use of school
land, the public is getting good use of land which
is considered to be under the jurisdiction of the
school. He stated that the work between the two
committees has been excellent and the public has had
use of the land after school hours. He said it re-
quires some coordination and he could see no differ-
ence whether it is school land or public land.
The Chairman said thatthe dividing line on main-
tenance had been worked out with Mr.Carroll and Mr.
Spiris, and there is a policy already established under
maintenance and care by the Public Works.
Mr. Richards said if it is under the jurisdiCtjon
of the School Carnmittee it makes very little difference,
the general benefit would be the same. He said the
next question is, will there be a saving by including
this in the general overall picture. He said the
only reason for doing this would be to get something
for nothing.
Mr. Fisher said the Town would be getting it on
somethingbesides real estate taxes.
Mr. Richards asked if there would be any real
monetary value.
Mr. Kingston asked if, in order to qualify for
funds, the Town had to make an appropriatinn.
Mr. Fisher replied that all this does is to
establish the maximum the Town considers it may spend.
It is not something that has to be done and no funds
have to be appropriated.
Mr. Kingston asked if the Town would qualify for
aid if no appropriation was made.
Mr. Fisher replied that the Committee will not
close the account with the Building Assistance Com-
mission before 1966 or 1967. and any time before the
final record is closed, the Town can request aid if
it is put on the site plan.
Mr. Richards asked about the additional cost and
Mr. Fisher explained that the architect would include
this in the plan he is going to submit.
The architect said he was assuming this would be
a general outline.
Mr. Kelly asked if these could be put in the site
plan and then not go through with them and Mr. Fisher
replied in the affirmative.
Mr. Richards asked how much could be included in
the plan before the Commission objected.
Mr. Kent said he would not include the swimming
pool or the present tennis court and he walnot sure
he would include the track, but he would certainly
include the football field.
Mr. Gary asked what it would cost.
Mr. Fisher replied thOt whatever the Town is going
tp spend, it would receive 16% back. He said the Town
does nt have to spend any money or take the full ex-
tent of Mr. Snow's plan.
The Chairman said there should be some figure for
Town Meeting and Mr. Fisher said not now. He explained
that showing the proposed development of all land in
the area of the High School which can properly be related
to the expansion of the facilities was suggested by the
School Building Assistance Commission.
Mr. Kent said figures will not be needed in January
so spend X number of dollars.
The Chairman said someone would ask how much this
will cost and how much the Town will save.
Mr. Kent explained that when the Committee closes
its accounts, at that time it will only be able to ob-
tain aid on what the Town has decided to do for this
area. He said he thought the years 67 or 68 would be
nearer correct.
The Chairman asked when transfer of the land
would be requested.
Mr. Fisher said the Committee would not be asking
for it; they are asking for a very small piece of land,
and doing a very minimum of landscaping. He explained
there is nothing in the Committee's present project for
the development of this playground at all.
Mr. Brown, of the School Committee, asked if some
official transfer of authority was required.
Mr. Fisher replied not now but at the time the
Town wants to go in for State aid, it has to be under
the jurisdiction of the school.
Mr. Kent said the Committee has to have future
plans on the plot plan.
Mr. Richards asked if at a future Town Meeting
$100,000 is asked for the development of a portion
of this area and the money appropriated, would the
Town be assured of receiving state aid.
Mr. Kent stated that the only question is going
to be for this development in conjunction with the
expansion of the High School and it should be on the
plot plan now. He explained that at the time the
Town appropriates the money would be the safe time to
make the transfer if State aid is desired. He said
that the ruling on what is and what is not subject to
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State aid is not made until the final completion of
the project.
Mr. Fisher said he did not think the Committee
would recommend appropriating money to receive State
aid, but is trying to set this up so the Town will
get !:E6% back.
Mr.. Gary said if it were not for State aid on this,
the question would never have come up for consideration
and asked therefore if this didn't come down to a matter
of potential cost. He said Mr. Kelly, of theRecreation
Committee, gave him a figure of $62,000 and it seemed to
him the Town would request 16% on $62,000 or whatever
it might be, and once this is started, a precedent has
been established. He said if it were not for the cost
savings, this would bot be under consideration at all.
Mr. Kingston stated that nothing is being committed
even if the plan does go in, and the decision relative to
the transfer does not have to be made. The only de-
cision to be made at this time is, does the Committee
include these facilities on the plot plan.
Mr. Richards said if the Committee shows the site
plan to include the additional desired facilities, it
will be saying that it is going to build just the school
and the rest is just scenery, etc. He said only the
school, upon which there is a firm bid, will be built
and he thought someone would ask how much the rest will
cost.
Mr. Fisher explained there was no relationship
and this is not part of the project the Committee is
discussing.
Mr. Kent said, assuming the site plan is public
property, there is no commitment on the part of the
Town to do any of this. The only purpose of including
it is in the event the Town wants to develop this land
for recreational purposes, it can be done at less cost.
Mr. Gary asked if there would be cost figures for
this at the Town Meeting, and Mr. Fisher replied in the
negative.
Mr. Gary asked in that event, why it could not be
put on the plot plan.
The Chairman said it could come up at the time
transfer of title is requested.
Mr. Kent explained that would not be done until
there is a plan.
Mr. Richards said if this is to be put on the site
plan, it should be released to everyone and have a
geographical area that is defined. There should also
be cost figures and a program of when it would be re-
quested.
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The Chairman said the decision the Committee
wants this evening is whether or not this is to be
included in its request. If something comes up between
now and January, it still can be dropped.
Mr. Fisher explained that his Committee, at this
point, only has to file with the School Building As-
sistance Commission a plan of what the Town might
ultimately decide to do and there is no recommendation
that has to be made. He said it would be included in
the event it is decided to go ahead within the next
five years, and the Town wishes to do it, this is the
plan the Committee thinks logical. He said all the
Committee will come in for in January is the building
and the site right around the building.
Mr. Kent said the next thing the Committee should
do is to bring in an estimated expense on three weekst
notice before this Town Meeting. He explained that the
Committee was present this evening only because the School
Building Assistance Commission brought it to the Committeets
attention.
Mr. Kingston asked if there was any reason the Com-
mittee had to bbtain approval from the Town to put this
on the plan.
Mr. Kent replied that where the Committee is in-
volved with something that will in the future affect
the control of the land, it did not feel it should
take any steps without bringing the entire matter to
the attention of the committees involved.
Mr. Blaisdell said what is put on this plan now
is the maximum and could always be cut down.
Mr. Fisher said it would not be turned down now.
He said the Committee suggested, on the Town property,
leaving off the pool and tennis courts. He said he
thought the maximum would be, in general, all of the
Town property now considered the central playground
and all the Town property in and adjacent to the dump
to the rightof way= onto Middleby Road.
The Chairman asked if it was the consensus of the
groupthat was desired or just that of the Board of
Selectmen.
Mr. Richards said he thought it should be a vote
of the Board to direct them to include the area.
The Chairman asked if anyone present was opposed,
and no opposition was expressed.
Mr. Kent suggested that the actual plan be dis-
cussed by four or five people and Mr. Carroll.
Upon motion duly made and seconded, it was voted
that the Standing School Building Committee be directed
to include in the site plan for the future development
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of the playground, what is now under the jurisdiction
of the Board of Selectmen and the land recently acquired
by the Town; the present swimming pool and the present
tennis courts to be specifically excluded.
The group retired at 9:50 P.M.
The Recreation Committee returned to the meeting
and Mr. Kelly submitted what he termed to be an in-
formal budget.
Mr. Richards asked if the Committee was satisfied
with the Director, his assistants and the number of
instructors.
Mr. Kelly replied that the Committee feels it is
necessary to have a man of reasonably professional
status on a part-time basis, and has not considered
any such thing as a full-time man. He explained that
the present Director has had some personal problems
for the past two years which have limited the amount
of time he"has devoted to the Town. However, the
time he has spent, has been extremely helpful.
The Chairman gave Mr.Kelly a copy of the Per-
sonnel By -Law.
The Committee retired at 10:20 P.M.
The Chairman reported that Mr. Charles M. Evans
was at the Selectmen's Office today and answered
questions various individuals had pertaining to the
new Personnel By -Law. He said the Fire Commissioners
have asked Mr. Evans to attend a meeting with them
next Monday night. The Chairman said he thought
any such meeting should be made through the Board of
any such meeting should be made through the Board of
Selectmen. He said that if there was a Personnel
Director, Mr. Evans would not have to be making any of
these meetings, and reported that he is going to have to
charge for them.
Mr. Burnell said inasmuch as the Board does not
have an Executive Assistant, he thought some arrange-
ment should be made with Mr. Evans to have this By -Law
given consideration completely and effectively.
Mr. Richards questioned where the funds would
come from to pay Mr. Evans.
The meeting adjourned at 10:30 P.M.
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