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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1957-02-07 Feb. 7, 1957 A meeting of the 1istoric Districts Cormribsion as held Thursday, Feb. 7, 1957 in the Selectmen's Room, Town Hall , at approximately 8:40 P.M. Present; Messrs. Ta11or, Smith, Hoeard, Kettell, Davis and Mrs Merriam. blr. Davis said Mr. Clarence ?calker desired to apply for a certificate of epprop.riatenees on a proposed dwelling, Lot 1, Tcver.r. Lene and wanted to know if from a sketch showing just the front, the Commission thougut he was justified in going ahead with the rest of the plane , etc. It was felt that this reeuest wee reasonable as it is not the desire of the Commienion to impose hardship. From ::hat was seen, it was decided to tell hitt, to go r.he©_d with re t of plans. Mr. Dieter Smith then sut,gested a tentative budget and it WD decided. after some discuerion to pu this in for expenses at $7.00 00 per month or $1200 00 a year. Mr.-erith was asked to fill in budget forma end give them to Mr. Davis for signature Mr.;mith is going to hair printed Certificate of Appropriateness forms. Three copies each will be used, one for applicant , one for Town Clerk and one copy for the Corrrni Bion. Mr. Howard wi !.l look over other forms secured from other °onmissions and see how they can be adapted to our needs, Mr. Kettell will sae the Town Engineer who is preparing 100 scale maps of three areas showing all existing dwellings, struotures, lot numbers and hou:.e numoers. Town Engineer ee understand is now workbag on these. Mr.Kettell was asked to find out how he is coming along, as we need them. Mr. Davis had asked that they orient maps so that No-tb is up. The next hearing, Mr. Clarence Walkerts: will be published Feb. 14th. Next hearing will be Tuesday, March 5th or Wednesday March 6th. Mr. Taylor will clear the date with Mr.Carroll fol publication, etc. It wee decided that bills would be approved by the Commission, signed be Mr. Taylor, then given to Mrs. Thomas for recording and will then be given by her to Town for payment Meetinc adjourned at 9:28 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Wilhelmina ( .Thomas , Secretary Pe? runry 7, 1957 A hearing w=ee held Thured y , Feb, 7, 1957 by the Historic DL tricts Commis ion in the Selectmen's Room, Town Hall, for the Cary Memorial Library building Addition Committee, at 8:00 P.M. Those cittiny on the Co. mission vera Mr.Cherles B vi. , Chairman, Mr. Dexter Smith, M . Arnold Howard(niternete) , Mir. Rubs<ell Kettell and Mrs. eobert Merriam( alternate ). Mr. Floyd 'Taylor disqualified himself oecnuse of his position e a r4brarm Trustee. Mr. Philip Pr reons was absent. Mr. D• vis opened the henrin by saying; that this see the first hearing being held under the recently formed Commission as set forth in Chapter 447. The peering at thi, time is. to review plans of audition to the Cary Memorial Library an consider issuance of e . rti 'icete of appropriateness under this act. He sked that each perLon ei hint; to °pea , please peak to the point end after they ere recognized to piens° give their name and -addrer,s. Mr. John Beldinz, 1106 ass. Ave. , Chairmen of But, ding Committee, a.ho'red, on a screen, picture of exi. tin; Library, de:cribine it as a. middle American type of a ehi.tecture. .>ai.d the plan ie 'o clean up the building and make it brighter. Would change red roof to a gray. They will also plaster a good deal of the stone work. This could make it much hr ghcer and. out down the shadows . Changes would be in character with the present cuildine. He said they ere limited in the changes they proposed by the money voted b, the Town. Mr. Davis aekad whet type of materia] would, be used on the Clarke St.wing. Mr. lelding :aid stucco. Mr. Robert Fisher of Eilham Hopkins Greeley & Brodie, architects, said some stone would be used also and the beck wing would be stucco- addition on front cast atone Said they also have sketches show ng general tre tment of etone work to show what they intend to do. These Here shown to the Commission. bt,. Davis asked what color. Mr. Fisher said buff but this could be settled by Committee--they intend cclor to be in the tan range. Mr. Belding said they were reducing* projection of entrance. i 1 have a light bright entrance. Wi 1 have a Hindow on either side of the dao-. Vr. Howard a iced regarding Lettering over entrance. Mr. Fisher said Cary Memorial Library eel a device just above done centered on stone work. Icr. Fisher showed the model. Said that in the mbdel,the entrance is more or le• s rounded but later this was or is intended tc be changed a tit. Me. Kettell asked if it •oul.d be stucco on. Clarke St. Mr. Fisher answered that it ,would be. Mr. Davis asked retarding treatment of stone work and it -ill all be treated so that it will •be a unity--one color. The Cary Memorial Library marking wi'1 be smaller then that as shown on p-2 noel and stag the Cl ildrens Library marking es 7e]1. 'lane were examined and Children's entrance noted. Upon request, plane e -e+ left with the Cor ni tee for study. Mr. Richard Soule , 13 Hancock et. and q candidate for Planning Hoard, spoke o two possible minor changes. He spoke of the monitor and suggested come other lighting device es be thought this ugly. Also e,uRgeated using a clock lusts ,d of a device over the door. Otherai€.e thought plan in keeping. Mr. Risher. , epeaktme of the xabnitor, said it was p, rhape a little bit ove-'played in the model. It Wes felt we mi ht do more with it. Present piee is to lave skylight that presently exists in the building exactly as it is and commented it is no4. vi,.ible from front, w uld be cleaned and repaired and ryrould give e lot of free light to lobby below. Mr. Davis caked, to have picture Shown .gain to clarify this. fir. Rattell asked ab.:utd the d ep shadow under the cornice. Mr. Fisher said roof will have same overhang. I)3 be identical along whole perimeter. Mr. Belding then sail the clock, instead of a device, would be a boice of the Committee ani thougt't it a geed su gestlon. Mr. Davis asked what alternate methods had been su.'gested as to the addition. Mr. Belding replied they thought of a Colonial idea on additions tc the building with the idea that the Town. right take center ou+ later and make it a Colonial building. This would look very bad for time being and they doubted Town unld spend that much onoy. The present plans are what the architects came up with as being solution wine present building. They also ccrL ldered a whole Colonia front( using brick) but this would cont too much for the Town. MI . Davis asked if they were going to carry out same surfacing on Clarke St. Er.Belding said it would be surfaced the same , that *tone wou. d show and on Clarke St. where stone now exirts and hat new wing would be stuccoed--seee color s.: stone work. Mr. ,Davis asked if they had consid, red possibility of covering stone entirely. Mr. thelding said they had considered covering it with brick but it would cost too much money, As far as stuccoing it entirely and settle?, rid of stone, it is quite a Joe as a few stones stick out so far teat cutting them off would run into quite a pronosition. ,7r. Kettell asked if they tl oug} t it wise to thane the front entirely as the Torn is quite caned to it. Mr. P'eldine replied that qui e a fee wanted it changed eel one of the mein ideas was for safety's wake to get the stairs inside and get a clean, light front. ^r. Ho-card asked again regarding color roof. Mr. Beldin . said it would be a medium to dark gray. p-i Mr. pavis said he would like to record those inthe room in favor o plans ss they have been presented and those against. Sense of meeting: In favor 9 Against D. Hearing adjaurned at E3:3C P.M. Mr. Davis said they will try to render decisicn as promptly as possible. respectfully submitted, Wilhelmina 0.Thomes , ,ecretary Feb. 7, 1957 A hearing was held Thur day, Feb. 7, 1957 by the Historic Districts Commission, in the Selectmenle Room, Town Hall, for Abram J. Chayes for a certificate of eoproprietenees for a proposed dwelling, said lot fronting on Mass. Ave. with access from Pelham Rd. Sittir were Mr. Drvis, Chairman, Mr. pexter Smith, Mr.Ruseell Aettell, Mr. Arnold Howard( alternate and tr.Ployd Taylor. Mr. Philip Parsons wee also present. Mr. Davis read the notice. Mr. Chayes said Mr.Richard Morehouse, 37 Moon Hill Rd. , architect, has a number of drawings and scale model . Mr. Morehouse said lot is at corner of Pelham r d. & Mass Ave. and is one of four lots. This lot was formerly aimed by Mr.Wardrobe. The dwelling is to be a one family dwelling , 4 bedrooms, study, two bathe, living room, dining room andkitchen. They will maintain required set backs rron: street and property ltnee . Building would be of frame construction, studs, eta. roof probably gray, white pine corner boards , cedar, brick either natural or painted brick, 2&' right of way from Pelham Rd. steep grade, fiat class driveway, no acce s from Maes.Ave , clapboards, n. tural fieldstone , retaining walls, etc. carriage lanterns, etc. near entrance. Existing trees as st'ovo-n ill be left, trimmed, amplified and probable a hedge planted between hcu.se and Mase.Ave, Construction will be started after working plans are obtained and work will be done or started this sumer r. Mr. Davis asked about a garage and Mr,! orehouse said no garage is planned but there will be a turn -hound, which would abut Mr. Carry's property on Eliot Rd. Mr.Roward asked abcut tee roof color and Mr.! 0rehouse replied probaoly a light gray. Mr. Davis asked about the 'oc tion and Rr.Morahouee replied on rather level spot preotically on top of bill. tr. Davis asked rega dine general color scheme. Mr.Y orehouse replied. a medium warm grey french pray, white trim, wtite around window --other color would be a very clerk green or black. Brick would be nature' or white or wh.i e-washed brick. Mr. Davis asked if driveway of 201 would have a drop of 61 from high point to low point. Mr. Morehouse replied, lees than that, would be out into one side and fill on the other and land. soaped. `.here are existing trees which will be left and one 161 tree would be cut down. These questions were asked by Mr. Parsons No other threes will be cut down. Mr. Wilbur Jaquith, 42 6omerset Rd. a member of the P aniline Board, said ae would hive to have a ditional specifications. Mr. Davis asked if colors 'ere indicated on specifications. kr.Morehouee said no, except on model. p-2 r. Charlee Corey , 0 Eliot Rd. asked whet color Poof would tet it &owed vsn light en mcdeal) and the reply rule e :Et' iee gray . Mr. i fliau }nala of 135'7 Mace, Ave, eked, on model, which aide was he ki.e8.:tve. tide. This etas eeown. cry. ,.r lour Nelee n, 1337 A" .., .Ave. aake4 regarding period of ecu.e, r. Viee. .,hcu: s aid le Nes u frame sted construction. aid ie wse t nnsletion of early American methods , early j$QQte. 1 r. ko ©house said to him the real problem was what direction i^ee tdentiaal architecture should + eke 1n New. England, that se t.any excellent pieeee of land had been purehaased and developments put up which h to not aJddd avec ;h.in;3 to the Town. Nbat e 0 ld we hope that arc}--itects would do, What should they eug •e:t ae z :r ee n tele acid a standard to a ei set up, WO can .;osiulm, hcptt to itsitatc sue of the good eld twee* , Leo/ to we aele to r::eke e present dey counterpart '4' n Caloni 1 or early American Xt. O'er Lgugle fir, 1141 kae.: .Ave, asked it tele ear t= tho general ;pe of house that we e ould app eve n this historic spot. D1 not thing it In accord with the location end the Town, �a. 'icher8Y :Joule, 16 hanaock et. , not can abettor. but Interested in the Ccwrieeiot aae set up. a evoke el' what is r 4a.7cniaa. reuse and hos the featan'es h d chsznged from early days until nee. aid Mr.p c c.hou{ a h ei meads a good modern interpretation of r- variety of Colonia" house.., Ter.aget oleo of windows dotri;cted. er. ':h.it}. &Seed jut .,}ret ser be scan from Naze, ice . and lc ecu tirure e;; vindewe e -tending all the wny tc the roof? r.K;ore} cure replied there could be cut dogs without causing err,.; t .+sable or love of Light. lir. ¶1 li.m HA, 13..4 keee.atve. asked if ids witi, dormer on St is = ease . Ave. side end kr, Davies asked what 1andecaping would be and Mr. KGetteell u iced if hcuee is bidder and is house Ce onusi? Mr. eorehouee answered questicnet rotst'iy anewered before). Mrs. Roland rerdrobe, 1314 kaut .eve. e,aid due to pl ..utinga, ecuse could not be seen from Ueorve Tavern, etc. , in a short time, St these piancings, now to be allowed o grow end not burxaed over, would form ea very e fectivee screen, ¢gaud two lots oetween Chayest propene(' hours and theirs could not be sold. kr. Alan 04ans, 15 :somereet Rd. of Planning Bogard, at?k_ed what etbce. vies* of house from Eliot and Pelham +oads and Tavern Lane? Nr, :tia.bur Jaquith .gain said Commievion had to decide nee 'dire wt c]e of historic districts. >wrs. ;t,odger •ongley. 1361 Yaks. Ave. said anything on top of hill would be visible free nlmort ny direction. kr. mo shouse said, he wished tome presented and judged on irs merits arra that hou, a e34 ould be aooepteb3.e from en;m' ngie and not accepted eaeluee it would not be visible . Mr. eilliam Hall , 131 kass. Ave. mid he felt that way and that was the point he weme trying to make also. kr. Doyle said rho Comeienion wee there to kee things appropriate within these areas wherever they can be seen fr public ways. kr. Cherlee uare;j , 3 j411ot Rd. said that the one question he bed ea an abutter se the question of the color of the roof that he i It a white or light gray roci would cause complaints. kr. Chayes stated thee •.ere at the cement nterested in e dark roof. Mr. Cheyrs then ave sone of hie sacks razz end reasons for wanting to live in Leztneton and the t he is nterbated in. keeping the reposed hrue,e in keeping with the historical district. Mr. oder Langley, 11361 Maes. Ave. feels ,e should preserve type of o leinal architecture and fe lint; and npp' nrence of these hicto 'ic letrietr and does not believe that this particular hence in its appeernnce I eppropriete for tris section, not colonial nd not modern but on the borderline. &eked if t is as a eardoticl for the next hcuee , whirl could then be more modern? Thir e, this• d''cistcr ..Mould ire =elebed v- re carefuilj. Mr. Manes again eammphaeiased the point that we heves to deal with a haute that will se visible. tsr.Rodger Langley, l3e1 ►'ase.Ave. said a lot of the ho+;eem can be seen and. how that portion whish is visible will affect people is important end does not think ou will get the eepearnnce of a Colonial house. kra. Roland eardrobe, 1314 mais .Av®. are.id her understand1n, of the Act wee that nothing there said "Co onial" , merely says ppropriate. }1r. Chayes said his definition of ape `opriete is "nothing° incongruous". Wr. Davie the Laked for ma sense of the meeting; Tho e in e'unroe District In Fever 7 ,Rl,rinoe.t a`l:oce outside diastrict " 4 ._._- -i r p-4 Mr. & Mrs. Chayes did not vote. Meeting adjourned at lOt 45 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Wilhelmina G.Thomas ,uecretary It was decided to have a meeting at Mr. Davis ' house, at 8:00 P.M. Tuesday, Feb. 12th( later changed to Monday, Feb. 11th) for a decision.