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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1980-04-16-HFAC-Noise Rule Subcommittee-min.pdf k. MASSACHUSETTS PORT AUTHORITY HFAC April 16, 1980 Noise Rule Subcommittee Meeting 7: 30 PM Attendance: Jacquie Smith, John Haggerty, Barbara Bernard, Norm Fredkin, Sandy Sanford, Jim Walpole, Alan Lazarus, Ann White, Fred Hafer, David Davis, William Coleman, Claire Barrett, Norm Faramelli, Heather Conover Cosmopolitan William Coleman (Massport)- A Cosmopolitan representative met with Sam Mygatt (MEPA) . There was a misunderstanding on Cosmopolitan' s side regarding the environmental process but they will comply with the process. By the time this is done, the noise rule should be in place which would exclude the type of aircraft they are planning to fly. The Newark airport officials have not had contact with Cosmopolitan either. Noise Rules John Haggerty - In reading through the revised draft, it appears that many of the concerns of the HFAC have been incorporated into these rules, specifically the cargo exemption. The HFAC had also expressed the need for a general statement of purpose of the rules to be tied directly to the Master Plan. He understood from the FAA that any rule needs a statement of objectives. He would also like to see the rule directed at achieving the overall objective of achieving zero overall noise growth and, finally, he would like to see compliance of military operations added to the rules as an objective. David Davis (Massport) - Unanimity is not necessarily needed. MPA also has responsibility for another airport, The HFAC should re- member his statement before the entire advisory committee and the reservations he expressed at that time. Toward achieving zero noise growth, Davis stated he was not sure how to accomplish this end. The policy objective is to make progress along these lines. The public hearing for the Hanscom Noise Rules will be on May 8, 1980 at 6 :30 PM. The rules are still draft rules until the Board meets and approves them. The rule applies to all aircraft over 12, 500 lbs. The Part 36 rule is much less meaningful for aircraft under 12 , 500. In MPA' s judgement it is not the smaller aircraft that cause the problems which are under discussion. In terms of the military, MPA is trying to talk to them about flight paths for helicopters. The rule in this draft basically exempts the military. This was done because ofMPA' s understanding of the agreement the Authority has with the military. The rule attempts to deal with those new operators at Hanscom and J prohibits air carriers, and aircraft over 60 seats . Cosmopolitan would not meet the Part 36 limit. The rule deals with night operations by providing for a surcharge. It also provides an exemption for those based at Hanscom, but delayed due to weather, air traffic control delays, etc. MPA has gone some way toward accommodating its' perceptions of the problems, with the excep- tion of the problems caused by military operations. Haggerty - They still have no strong sense of how noise rules affect the contours. There is considerable talk about GA diversion from Logan and where it would go. There have also been specific requests from Gillette and Raytheon to look into pre- cision landings, preferential runways , etc. There needs to be an analysis of whether or not these would make a difference and accomplish the objectives. Davis - At Logan, in addition to adjustments in technical rules and noise rules at night, MPA needs to deal with delays and capacity problems. High surcharges may be imposed on air opera- tions for the purpose of reducing the pressure of GA on Logan capacity. This may or may not happen, depending upon price sensitivity. In times of capacity and delay problems, when Logan has more than 100 operations an hour, the airport proprietor can impose a minimum fee as an economic disincentive for certain classes of aircraft. Claire Barrett (Massport) - The Greiner report shows that the LDN 60 contours do not leave MPA property. Time above contours are not as finely tuned as Haggerty would like, but they are not done without knowing the base case. The number of operations has dropped since the Master Plan. There were no contours available at the time of the Master Plan. If this was available, it would be possible to compare. In terms of modelling the effect of the proposed rule, this cannot be gauged without knowing the fleet mix. Jacquie Smith - Assuming an 18 month review process, the modelling question can be dealt with, but the type of data to be collected still needs to be detailed. Barrett - The longer document which has been prepared on the noise rules deals with the kind of data that would be collected who operates at Hanscom, time of day, etc. This data will be used to run another time above and some contours . Sandy Sanford - In all the time they have operated at Hanscom, they have had only one complaint. With the proposed rule, they have to either leave Hanscom or spend money for a new plane. The majority of the complaints have been against the military. They can be dealt with only through jawboning. Thegreater proportion of those operating at Hanscom use Part 36 aircraft. They have done a reason- able job policing themselves. The HFAC can alter the time frame of the rules. He would suggest a step by step process . Barrett - The way which MPA saw to reconcile the concerns expressed by Haggerty and Sanford was to stretch the rule over 5 years for the based users. 4 • - 3- Smith - The FAA has raised the concern in the past that a weight limit is not as defensitble as a noise limit. They don' t want the rule thrown out because of this. Barrett - The 12, 500 lb. weight limit is an FAA distinction. Noise is measured differently for aircraft under 12 , 500 lbs . Smith - The proposed rule addresses the present situation and guarantees the community that there will be no sudden changes . In addition, it doesn' t impact the flying community immediately. The operational elements are also important. Davis - This proposed rule is roughly what will be before the general public. If there is a consensus opinion of the HFAC, this should be forwarded to him. This is important in dealing with different constituencies . It is also important for him to know the areas of difference. Jim Walpole - The HFAC had requested a discussion of the change in policy over the number of seats allowed for passenger commuter operations . The Master Plan mentions a 30-seat limit and the rule , a 60-seat limit. Barrett - The discussion which was asked for comes in the context of the proposed noise rule . The meeting was adjourned at 9 . 30. • tai _ l ! � (Akx,e. ` leather Co . . -r P1 inning Department HC: 1