HomeMy WebLinkAbout1956-04-24-ATOBC-min AjDITIONAL TOWN VFIU BUILDING 001.114IME
April Oh. 196
A mooting or the Additilnal Town Office Building Colmaittee
w4$ hold in t/w POlestmants Room,* Town Orrice Building* on Tues..
dayp April 241, 1956 at 8:co r• 140 Chairman Brooks). Messrs*
Hunter, johnsonl balonoy and Reed wore preSent* Chief RyoroM
Mr, Fisher representing M . Greelt: Mr, iYimballo, the heating
eontractor mad tbe bocretary wore also present*
The discussion held Wa0 about as follows:
Chairman: 'ilrot we would like to talk about heatin .
Maloney: Aro we all set on the planI
Chairman: A few minw oorrections that I talkod to Mr* Pigher ,
about* Mr0 Greeley brought those plans out and there .
were a row thin m very !minor* One Was this partition*
Fisher: The. general scheme 4$ it is now Io ror u to go ahead Is it?
Ohair'lan: I would think so,
kois hvr: Nr. Greeley wanted Xilk to ask if there is auy Lnlor;,ation
9n the boalth 1boratory* or perhaps that WilI owe, later* ,
Mr* ,-IMball represents hit ri4-13 in carryin out the boating ,
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and clOotrieal work,* .
atmball; I 4a9 to get lw.tructIons* I want to give youwhat you want. .
Chairman; '';',' are mn,rw or loss agreod that it water hoattns
would bo the best* The othtr thing important is
the quoStIon of ho rax' we 'can tr,o with, zoning*
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Yinball:
T informtion Is What I have to 6ot fr„41 yoU rathox
than Otermine mysolt* You, can go 4$ rar as you
Chairman: The second floor Is for the various °Moots and the
bent and first floor ax all police* Will that.
mean a, sopavato set of mains to zone up above? •
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,Imballt That would be the easiest way, We have what we cal .
two dual thermostats throughOut the first tli.or and the
second floor and. has It Is 4 toss up which:would
be more expensive*
Chairman Hoy would you arrangeit if tho nstairs at
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called for heat and you did not want it upstairs? •
mballo The second. floor (Auld bo on the tiok clock or a nanual
throw switch* With the dual themostAt systoft it would
mean, a motorized or a Iland000peratod valve on *moll
radiator I think the ehepeat way wouId be double
manuals* Temperature elntrol ie very tuponsive* Dual
mains would be cheaper* .
Maloney: Do you recaromenA motorized or circulating syetozu
hiMballt I woad have. It circulated for e401. Z010,
11410neyi Ir you want to zone more than two or three you could sot
it up on valVe controls*
..tdball: I thinl, the most satistact3ry and least cAponsive would
be the duplicate. mins*
Johnson; A 4oparato circuit for each floor?
J:abet:1,1 t One for the ba tent and first floor and. another for the
second floor*
Johnson; Would, you have the same problem If r;,,A; have the basement
and first floor r)n one circuit that w have now?
Maloney; They ccad be very easily separated* The mains aro small
and do pot require ltarp /4poS*
Pishert Woad ithe two araas be working togeth,or?
kiaone7i It s ould be*
Chief; The basement would, not be functioning as 3.4uoll uotairt
bUt if you had a prisoner in you wead have to :Ii‘eop the
coil block warm*
twent't your Gars ce:mang. in. al out all night?
Chtr; It is not used as a garage,. but for xainor repairs and.
washing*
Chairman; What about to xi,otzar
Chit$ You would have the hefxt there but n4,, t .141;r4h you
would upstairs 4.
jObrAS etdI. ria.a,0 tht) a ie a not putting enoup, In rq building;
and had to put them in afterwards and it cost; a lot or VIDriOy•
bbaLi 'r01-1, could have 0.13 Lkary ZOrt00, ynt want* The more you
have, the more it will cost* Two zones 40:041/.7 OVIS• always
essential* MAA Gan go t throe zones If vu want 1pay- for it*
Jc,%rasor,1 What woad the cy,tra zone cost? Aro lie tallAns about
The most 0.es1rable taveratwo control IS IndividUal room
oc)ntol and the ..)ply entirely 00,tisfo.olwry heating ioy8ter3
there is* It IS quite oxpensivei If you arc 'bathing abut.
three zones as. against two, then it is probably evon Steven*
It is novo satisfactory ir every roOM has its *VP control*
Chairman: Could we get same idea some ti mo von 'what the relative
cost would be?
41Mballt Sure* What I am thiplanc, o Is in the basement you are
going to have plumbing pipes, sprinlaer pipes and it is
going to b a messy ceiling there*
Chairman: The plumbing pipes wontt be too b16*
No* Hot and cold water, same w.,..sto pipe, a single o the
sots of hot water pipea* It is a. lot of piping*
?Ishors We have had soma conversation, with in nee people about
the possibility that we ;,o1ht we well fable to eliminate
the sprinklers in this buildins when we e 10 that*
What about ,a.
Janson: I dont t thin.% we could justify gar4 heat* It is too
expensive end we would be criticized,
Malonoy$ What do you recommend. for hot water,, domestic Wt. water?
That Is a moat debatable subject*
Maloney; We like to tie i in if It is possible *
bill; It is ore ect,,,,noralCal* A. heating triler at this size you
could ;Am, vory economically in the surilmor tor h;vt water*
That would be q choice.
Chairman; We will 1O to you for recomendations.
Firdball: That, woad be rrj- chpice, thipltints as a 'taxpayer* Can we
pp back t tI zczes? 'Cott think the basoz/ent w-ule not
require nicht 1I temperature?
Chief Hot every night* Only at certain timea*
, Inballt '3emeene. has t pull a manual switch to get heat on.
0haimant Whore a good peat of it i buried there* except Vor the
ba end and one side* wontt w be pretty Well undorEtround
there? um% heat lost will not be too at In the basement*
rixfoal; The heat you, have down hero will t3;ive .,au some ef,l'i,leto
Personally I don't think it would pay to 17,1aVe three zones*
Maloney;
You wou1 b„ave wa,01 floors), op afln I think it
would. work lilt*
iivbaU: ,Li you. want to out d::;,4na lzeat in the basetlent you eotild shut,
r..;11" radiator valves*
jot:moon:. De you use baseboara -1,11,iliation in a building; !,,),V thin size?
You cani, but what I Lad in ktintl would, be s:nwootors semi
reoossod arta a damper. With baseboard it i hard to locate
the shut,AT valvo*
Maloney: You aro thinking ,f eoppor or east iron convectors?
Haat iron ir have my way*
Maloney: That is the right. aplvoaeh to that
How does that appeal tn you co'vat -q0
Ilaloneyt I thin4 it, would work out vor7 uoll*
inballs With baseboard you have to open a little di:.;•oriZou. san
get baseboard re,diat,Livs* *11,,Lere woad be n,) ha. in
recossing or stool recessing.
isher: Are we of one mind about two winos en. the hu 1n -,Tr would
the oolartittoe 111 an imato the heating e )st it lete
went to thretc.)?
Hunt or: The committee would like to have a rough estlxlato*
vimballt It will be between $300 and 414,00 between the two o three
but have you sot irlUOII gain?
Chairman; vieuldnitt it min 43.oro than that with a separate circuit?
himball: I just pickeda, autribe',1."). but it ii b at at z',44300 or
De you thin yu aro gaining any special advantaaol
Hunter; It is worth $„300 or *400 to 4114:5P.' tall- e 11() 441 c...ntroIled
acparately.
gTAInSent It has been an unsatistact, ry exporivnee4 in thitro buil,linrof
To haw heat clownstairs it is V3,,,t, 1 'up ,14no 1r it WI:6,
WOri with two lotto have twoi, but it it is cpiro to be
like this buildini:; efhol.ad "opeerpl. thg!, k.,300 or
bal: Two zones are esaontial!*
Maloney: I thin% we would 11w to nowwhat it wi,u14„;,
Vib will give you an uSticlate*
Uunter; In this case the irat fl,or UJ Atm usod tw,nb7-rour
hs.mes a day anyway*
irbaLL: Bo .much ventilation Oo you want? 'Pbe toilets IlaVe
be ventilated by state law* Would you. lilu74 wale in the
askmiablyoo and tho, ah ,tinz gall:Dry?
; ] mons Any ventilation in the qtalery would le-5t b noted
with the rot of the buildinq anyway,*
No That would be separate, Ws will ta) e save that*
Chairman: What in general. boyonA thr toilets and, assombly xvoui, do
you think we nged vontilation?
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ambailt YOU /WM good outaido light and air r'n, all the rooms.
The state will make us ventilate those eall room. What
will the assembly' roost be used Xor7
Chief: Mectiap.
Reed: , The other one i the Board of Health on the sceona, floor.
I don't knsw what he will need.
:Kimball: We don't yet have list or equipment there.
Chairman: Mr. Greeley had a list of that.
Pishor; We ars waiting to et that nat.
iltdball; I donft lint* If you, Want to zo any furthor with air
conditioning.
01-,irman1 We are getting Into a lot ot xontey yitith, air conditioning.
Ittaltert Id,on,b think we can aff,nid air conditioninz.
M . Greeley's reeling waa that uix 0,5nditif;,,rdrig was v‘iyry
much en the fancy si.de.
Johnson: Wo were talking abnut 4 unit £ somo future time.
Linballt I did give a rough shook today and central air conditioning
would run $15.000. It involves a lot. It will take floor
space and water cooling tqwer. Then you, have yeur annual
'maintenance,.
Maloney: De you, recommend any particular boiler?
A11'41411: I am willing to listen. It is your thxtur& xt mine
Maloney: I think something on the line or H. B. Smith.
YA.mballt They are to and or long lite. The first soot is
higher but in the to run it Is a good Investment. That
is what I would take in, proferense.
Maloney: On the confront for hot water the bellow open at 1d01
and you never lose the water.
1. Either that r A mixing valve.
Maloney: I mean on a heat line gning richt tit of the boiler ittelf.
There Is a eontrol that sots in that line to naintain the
boiler temperature at 100° all the time. You Adcht not
need ono. but they are not very egpeasive.
Kiatbalit We will tam ears of that. How nush hot water will you
use
in this building? Xou hoydnit laPt Water demand.
Vidor: We received some tiw av an e:,;timato of WOO to
sprinkle the buntline on, tb basis of a Wet System.
Today Greeley Vas diacussinco 'with Mr. Converse,
the natter of spriakling this building. Our builains
will be tonconbustiblo. There will not be om-wood in
it. On the question of fireproof or conbustibility of
the 'buntline:. we would not recovmnd putting: in a
sprinkler. It would onlyin a business ways save on
the Insurance. Mr. Hill said, If a coWbusfible build-
ing ware insured the premium saving would be so small
that the 0500 would never be regained in payment or
/our insurance premiums. For that reason Mr. Orley
wanted to bring out the Ivint we do not recormend
sprinkiina the building architecturally or buainess wise.
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Chairman: Tie 0$00 you speak, of was not the ond., W-e, still havo
to br1n8 in amain* We a talking about more than
06,5000 On your recommendations mud Con, Rill's We Would
eliminate it,
Maloney: If you-sra never going to gain ft back there is no sonso
in discusaing It*
eishor: if wo fool a roam that Plight be suscoptible to fire bo.
cause Jr 11401 wo could put it alarm beada tSiVO local
protection*
Johnson: It would b good f„)r our records t. have a letter from
Con U111 to that effect*
Chairman: Would 17-111* ao the archttoots, givo 1/.0 a letter oT
recommendation acalmot thoml
Vishort Wo woUld be glad to pAve you oUr recommendations*
Read; I will talk, to tionliill*
visher:
W have fairly ITell sovered your focaloga or tho tang
and ventilating.* 11, w on the plumbig*
'Kimball: Aro you moving, any equipment from this building to tto
new Police Department?
Clair The sell*, and the hoppers in the cells*
Hunter: I dont know.
Chairman: It zit be well to examine thQso to see If they will fit
aad it net will have to cot new :oast
Rood; It would depend on the type xf a bid us est it we do that,
If the bid lover than what w had we wO,uld not bother
with them*
Chairman: We bettor got a alternate bid, 1r we donit use the presort
soils how nugh will it cost to do It?
irball; What Is your flushing mrranzoment?
Chief; Individual buttons In sash sell on the wall, We have had
some trouble with them*
_,imball$ It is more or less a, matter or shales,
Chief: or the amount or trouble, I ouIt Still go into individual
ft There la r prOblem on pluv,Ibin ; that I Low o Tho
arehitoot provided beautiful pipinf4 vacs* ru want
lotalootrung riXtUrOS on the lArirmitt?
Chief: oefinitikly* throu&out* They are mugh cleaner end tore
sanitary*
Chairman,: How about the boiler room? Will we nid a Pt41012 In there
duo ta the Irade ?
Thmt ie something I will have to shock*
Fisher: There aro nc lavatoriet in the cell arasal
Chairman: Not at present and We have not made arq provisia for thom*
Maloney: Will you try to coWe out with a level floor?
klmballt I have that in mind*
johnion: We mentioned that we might not nood as largo a, Wilor room4
Plahert YcYu always have
to sons:10r if there 1$ any chance of adding
t.,) the bui1din8 sqM0 future time,
Maloney: Do vu, have s,v,te vents ft r the brAlxr roma
Fisher.: Yes, Above the shootina gallery,
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ChairMant What do you rocommond tor lighting ttth typo )f buildin0
himball4
Th 4 sollinga APO relatively low* It somes to a. 'matter ot
chplee and east* I was zoing to recommend flushrixtUrs
Haw tight
i your budget?
HUnter: I sx4 not sold OA fluorescent 110htS*
himballs There so many opinlon0 about liai_ating Vi4tures.
Fluoreicont will coat yOU about twice as tludh*
Water; I dont 11 1140 tluoa..,essolat t," wovk vatb,,f;
Mier: We put In. some tluoreacento
Hunter: Do you 'like then?
Chief: No. Thy aro not tho boat to work with*
Chairman: With fluah tixturost d 'you use itatead or fluorescent?
Utliball: The square tluah tixtUre with incandescent bulbs. I voted
not al to direst or semi dost,
Chaimn; What Is your thinking Dr. Pisher?
Asher: It there 10 a demand frz fluweseent it strains th budget*
In a lot or sehoul areas there is A dotinito fooling flr
fluorescent* In small orrice space I thinthe insau4ssoont
is better* We always proter the int in smaller
spaces*
The overall annual vaintenaneo cost ls more on fluorescent.
Per this typo of building with a ten*toot selling* for
esonamy and good lighting I would resomend the ineandecent
rlush fixtures*
Hunter: It sounds all right to me.
Chairman; I don't know nuoh abut lighting. and we; ar open to advietv,
Maloney: On the flueressent lighting# is there a bett typo of WILY
Yimball: The new Instant Starting buLh ts mush better but there Is
the maintonio InStallation and maintenance east
analysts Show that Inoand6scont la eboaper in the lonL run
in mainteno00Coo will have pet as goed, lightit*o
14alonoy: :You are planning to drain the building* in other wordal
surt:,,es water or root water* Do you have any :plans as to
where that is going to so?
Plaher: At the noment no. We have ,-)utsido sc,nduutQrs.. I donit
know-what the plans are.
Naleneys In What particular area It is vet and to disperse tho
water I think it should be carried t4; the drain, it
should dome aeross bask ot this building. I think it is
deep enough so youwill have ample pitch to got into it
,AmbAllt While we aro On holattngs Voauvuld like the garao hosted?
Chief; Yes.
Maloney: I don't think you are roquiroA have a pa trap In tho
EArage*
Fisher: Vot &n tat type wage. There will be spesial el.ectrieal
requirements Vol, pollee work. Lv there a list rf them?
Chief t No* We were talking about a. dust g:Ang throw:II the
building In '%rder to take the tutors= system. We holo
the problem or tithoro the antenna is [Ong to be for the,
radio* The antenna should be as close as possible* very
el,Ises to the transadtter in order t„) work well* X,' ibly
we may have the antenna, on the roof which will not look t a
bad. and will come down to the rc3ero by the side )1* the Wall*
In there would be the transmitter and there will have to be
a duet to the desk, whore the relvte eontrot (Ian work freva
the desk*
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tImbllt Could my .electioal 47.1,soa conVor with, you. ond 'your radio mon? ,
Chief* certairay* I would bo glad to talk with him, ,
Pishor I VW* Axztall Wotill need a list of 'basic pieces or equiptaent,
Ch,let* 7here will be a toletype lino which i ti no There
two 310 provistous stlx, the c4v1,1 deftmso In this building, ,
Reed* I don'tany rQom for thop; •
Vbiett Other than that youwill lust have cmlne in bash alarms
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and.. an alarm for t pumping station*
Chairman: Do they all sem inbo. the control ro0mT ,
Chief* Yes. It 1411 1000P bh noise out of thtl office.
ILImballt There la the question of New Lngland Telephone outlets.
flow many and where do you want
Chief: ,t‘s far WO toi,e*onogt lAre G.incerned, we want one in
c:!:-1,1Atts, cerise, tile ClorIrta offiee on-d in. the Assistantai .
MI 104 OW At the main entrance.* On, the intercom, I
want the As sabibly room, Chie,f 1 a off lc o A Clerki a eerie,a .
and the II-looter ooritra will be h4, 3 andTie in the
Assistants' ra'ai* On the basoment floor I went or in
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the, monis blook„ one t the matron end ow in the finger- .
print rQ.oxr.4 one in the garage wad one in 'the shootine
t,va,11617* I we the, out:Leta &.n and if we need them we
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will have the -dueta. We should have one in the block, ;
where the liraell, aro It We want q‘k6 in the men,a cell
blos-14A hidden*. At. night we have s,'inly one man in the
operating re-:v.i. and he is quite a way frv.4.m, there coils.
Pl,sheir I Should. two have a tic t.,) the Vire Station, within the
buntline itself?
Chairman; We have no such thing at present*
Chief ' 8obon.la have it but we d-,,!)nft in the other building.
We have A. direct lineto. the Fire Department. .
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.vishert There would be no need or a separate alum with that*
imball :am about tole/Ames auad iritOlVf.413, on the sooQuil flo
Ho 041 You woild not need intercran but you nesd telephones Vox'
Oach deportrewnt. !
Imball: X will have my electrical man cone out .culd talk with ru.
now mr!on weuld you want to -sob himT .
0,14.0f 1 lost .m& lenow a day or two atona and I (Ian /taw my radio
man here,.
Nal.oneyt It should be soon and get this ,,,ut on
iolInsin* It still, seems to m there should be two :rooms in the
Health Aopartment.
needs Ho wont over all that with Itarvey, I can talk t hi again,
Pi,aher* Will r.0 write a letter atter you tall, t I him? ,
OW. Lurvey to call Mr. flood w1r) will ,
then, tall kli;, , Greeley )
:Rood; I wc,iuld like to tol.,f about an emerulloy generator.
Oteirman* We want thai,; 14. Do you have on0WA, now Kr. '' Itaball
to get your work lined up?
viWballt LAsept for detalla or the electrical worl,, A and I would
like my engineer t come out and go over the- details
with the Chief* _ •
Chairman* Approldmately bDw long will it be before you Will be In,
shape for our dress rehearsal?
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A.100111 1 Will haw to 60 it when Mr. Greeley tells me t-10
Fishert
W will give him the date' ‘,1
He did warn M4 be wanted It right away and, I have
started the work.
Maloney* Have the vents seeessible sa they dontt have to roweve
the grill to get at them, Do you W one pipe or two
pi po 0,7-Atort on tbe watorl
b.lobaill I prefer two ipe.
Maioneyt That i$ right.
The meeting adjourned at 9t50 P. Hop
a true, reeerd4 Attest;
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