HomeMy WebLinkAbout1957-10-16-ATOBC-min ADDITIONAL TOWN OFFICE BUILDING COMMIT=
Octobor 16, 1957
A meeting of the Additional To Office Building Committee
was bold in the gnsiaeorel ROM, Town Office Building, on. Nednosm.
day, October i6 1957 at WO 1A.140 Chairmen Brooks, Messrs,
Minter and Maloney wore present* Mr* Gre,;ley, Ohi4 Rycrofts
Mr, Hash Blake and Mr. Boutin ware prqlont, The secretary vas
also present* Mr* Johnson arrived at the meeting at 0145 P0M0
Tho discussion held was about as follows*
Greeley: Our aocustioal people said the mats would be as
good as anything and it they were enough used to
warrant any mre we could bang them or put up a
felt blanket across the w U and cover it with
chicken wire and that would be about the cluiva-
lent of the oat* It would be a trifle better*
That is the only thing within reason that could
be done,. It we wont any further it would be to
use fiber cos* That would be very e3pensivo
but it can be dons,
Hunter* Her about regular fiber glass iuoulation?
Greeley* That is what thoy recommend behind the chicken wiry*
He aid, this was Newman and they are the top* or
courts() it you are firing n gun indoors you get
all the direct noise in your oars and all we ean
do is 17144) 1411 the vibration unles0 you go to the
drus store and buy some ear plugs and use those
which he said is the common sense thing to 404
Malonoys Were they using the Wakefield range the night we
wore there?
Ilyoroftl Yos,
Greeley* We were interested. to know if we made itakes in
the layout and he said it was perfect* We oust
not elpect to mop up only ,a small percentage of
the sound, Ile called in one of hL partners and
he asked what was the matter with oar plugs*
Mr, Newman said thee people are asking about
insulation which of course was true.
Malony* I don't know any place they use them*
Greeley: This partner said they use them in many places*
Nycroftt I know they have been used, Some people with
sensitive ears use them.
Hunter* I have fired in the range at the armory and I
don't think it was too uncomfortable,
Maloney* There must have been, very little investigation
made into shooting ranges in the beginning be-
cause they would have soonwhat pee on In other
place *
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Greeley: This fellow has de a lot of them Just like
this and bo said all you can. do is tone it
down a little, bit Ile boo hid infinitely- more •
experience than We have. He 4dyou could not
do anything differently i you started over again*
I would eo along on a trial of ea plugs* May'
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cost practically' nothing and see- what happens. If •
they aro no good oka Ho is a very reputable
person*
Maloney: We will have notches held he with other groups
and I think it would be 4nbarras4ng, to find ._
comfortable Shooting the end come ho and uiie.
oar plum:, particularly where we have anew and
modern. building* I think we should make plans
to get It at leas as good 443 thoy baye in other
commanitiOS.
Greeley: Do you know another somUnity when It la good?
All-mart Arlington is good and Wakefieldla good*
Rycroftt In Wakefield it did not look too neat) but they
had a Iot Of sturf down the sides and all yoU
hoard
wa a dull. thud.
Oreeley1 Neuran. said, they make a damper and that ia wthing
you would want to use. It t* too awkward.. There
la no use praCtleing shooting a gun with a muffler
on it* Mat is one of the way* they do it. It is
unthinkable to me*
lialoney: The first day-we tried it the range was hare) very'
little painting done and Mr* Englehart was there
and ho agreed it was Ispoke to him at that
time and 4atd why don't you wait until we decide
what ts to be done rather then paint all the wile.
I thought that WW1 what he intended t deo but within
a few days it was completed*
Greely; Ue did not soy anything to me.
_Maloney: We made a promise that people could use this range
and it bas to be set up so it Is ric,bt.
Greeley: We will consult with whatever firm the Committee
as4s us to. We wont to who we recommended was the
best.
Maloney: We should go to these places twin them, probably
with a sound motor and find out what they are gottin .
Greeley: we will hav4 someone go to Arlington tomorrow*
Chairmen: They have oelohe all the way to the target from
the coiling, and get very little sound* It is
regular Celotex.
Maloney; They put that on them:elves*
Chairman: They put it on in the W.P.A. ' days after the build-0
ing
was completed*
Greeley: We need SomeOne with a slide rule and a knowledge
before we spend money for colotex.
Maloney: The mats did not make much difference* -Row many did
you have?
Errant SIN or seven*
Boutin: Sixl I think.
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Greeley: I don' t know to whom, else to to who is better
than he is. If you say oo we could line this.
I would go the limit and have perforated oolotex.
Chairman: Could it (.) on with an adhesive
Greeley: It would have to because we don't went to break
tie coiling. Perforated celotex does not need any
space back of it* We can put that on tho whole
lonth but I would hate to do it and find that we
are no better off. We con bring Newman out there
had have him bring his oln. He might get some idea
from being there th,lt he Oid not get from his lab*
We will do whatever you sty .
Maloney: You will end up with Newman with an amount of money
which we don't have . I don' t ' hink we should con-
tinue buildin up eXpenSGS as w,, have no money to
pay, but I think we should investigate this to a
point Without it costing any money*
Greeley: I vas proposing that we pay Newman, but you would have
to payfor the installation.
Maloney: investigate all these places that have ranges.
Chief: The painter, when he was painting, said why don't
you o to an armory. You will have to put some...
thing on these walls or you won't be ale to shoot ,
here . A fellow told me he vas in apringfield with
six men shooting at one time and you. would hardly
know anyone was Olootinu.
Maloney: Who do you buy your ammunition from? Call them.
Chief: Th, y might know something, about it. Here are two
fellows who worked in armories, The staff is
pressed, groen in color.
Gree lay: We will have Newman report ''() you at once.
These gentlemen from Blake are bore and as a matter
of courtesy, it would begood to take up the items
tat concern them. Mr. Hugh. Mike is here and he ,
would like to report to you on the situation, the
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matter of complaints and final payment,
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Blake : This letter has been to your office I believe, just
recently, October 10th* The first letter is out.
standing items which have not been answered, One
is furnishing additional clips, more clips than
the manufacturer required. We had to buy more,
an item of 020. This was sent in and I received
a letter back that there was no additional expense .
Greeley: We wrote, this was not charged to the owner. We
did not say there was no additional expense . We
felt it was not outside the contract. I don' t
think to town shou.td pay it. The town is en-
titled to a roof there . If there is any settle-
ment it should be between us. The town is en-
titled to those clips.
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Chairman: Shoed not you have had them forniah the right
nombor of olipO
Blake; lou put them on aceorlim to tho manufacturerts
instructions and we were doing that.
Chairman: They furnished a product which. you purchased.- Why
should tboro be any q*Stion about the noMbor of
clips?
Blake: Tho engineer thought there should he more.
Greeley: in order to make it steady our engineer felt there
should be more clips than they were potting on.
Chairrtnt is there any guarantee?
Greeley: Some carpenters put ono nail in each end of the
board and we think there should he two. This in
a similar case-. Our onginoor Said we need a few
more clips. I claim this ie not the tawnts head-
aeho.
Chairman: I would not think so.
Greeley: If you. think you aro going to be stuck I will pay it.
Blake I Ramnishing additional electrical worn as of our
letter SopteMber 100 19570 It is. 1!34 60
Greeley: Hone of these things are duo unless tho claim is
made for them before the work is done. It Says In
t contract that t4,0 contractor MA40lot us. know
ebout the extraa. We get into a sort of informal
situation* Those things aro not a. legal claim on
the town? but Mr. Blake has right to run through
them so you will understand hip position.
Blake: One was moving over two doors in the clerk's room*
Chairman: That was because. the location of the doors was not
chocked.
Boutin: The eloctrieisn had them in the ridat 'peoltian but
tbo doors were changed later on par the architect's
order* •
Greeley: We talked it over and it seemed a seed idea. Thera
was no charge spoken of. on. time after, the
electrician owed in. and wants mors money. I don't
think that is for the town to pay. it seems to re •
we should have boon notified before the work was
done; that it was going to cost more.
Blokes The next item is aoval of loam
Greeley: That was ordered taken from the job to a further
distance than MAO dennitfily arranged for in the
contract. It was ordered bymr., Gayer. Mr. Blake
went ahead and did it without thinking some
formality should be takqn.
Bloke: Z asked him if he had a track. If he pot two trucks
to my ono there would be no charge.
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Gree ley; Thore was an wrtra goat and w are convimed
As I reported to your Corattittee it seemed the
to tiat this was t see Illw 4 Gayer and see it this
could be handled by the town thret.01, the Soleotaents
account. The Committee is not involved in extra
woney but. I think the town les
Maloney; he is a question or how much too. Hr. Gayer has .
his own idea how much wu delivered there* Nr, Gayrti3 .
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opinion it that there was 150 yards of loam delivered*
if you delivered 150 yards and earried it a mile over
the aIloted distance and charged even $1.00 a mile it
would
nob approach that figures
Make: I dontt know how many yards we i'lgured. It was quite
ac swats,. ,
Maloney« It is hard for us to determine* tfix. Gayer is the
who toadied its
Gr*eley; I should thin . Where Gera', and Make came to tiomo
do claim on this thing it would be .1:air to ask Make ;
awl Gayer to ep over this and somo to an aarosuont* ;
Ranter: It soundonable to mo,,
Mslonevl I donlit think they should be boo far oVt* •
Bioko* It is a 0440 where you have zw, np A toe and
think I don't roalizo it. I ashod IV voa had trusks •
to ha)? n turd ;You said quite abrvtly you didnut. ;
I was trying to Get It where It '0140 „SUP1)000 ci '4,o e° .
with the :Watt amount ',)t work* It is a thankless
job to (.1,,o things like that.
GrOOloy$ Nevertheless it would probably be settled on the
tutount or loot and tine to. take it too distaudes
I think tWo )04014.0 like Gayer m.)413:14344 could, come .
to sons kind o a, comprewaises
Maloney; Unless you have it as a Separate Item i will be
hard to determixics
Blake; That was a bill sent on a separate item* I have
no dealings with lir. Gayer. I have dem, aventhl,ntz
through him*
Greeley; You have that itemised so you can so over it with
Gayer.
Chairman; I think you said 3,50 yards* New it amass 150. That ,
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is quite a differs=e. ,
Blake; I think we were hauling a day and a half.
Gayer I The next time you are over here stop in and sea
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I will be very glad to fp over it with you. ,
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Blake; I would like to. .
Greeley; Blake can report to me after talIdng to Gayer* .
Maloney; li'Llair anoucA.
Blake': nOVe is an iton. for ,r041,01:111:43 Paint* We tried all .
afferent 40thOda to :NOWVO Want i013 those cells
'whioh eama to 088.65.
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Greeley: The old cells Vero painted and win we removed
them wo found theold paint tlOed oft and did
not hold on the stool,* The question was what to
do. The painter was not required/ under the, sea*
tract/ to burn the paint art* The Committee said
Q was ail right to let him hammer off some of it.
Blaket This electric bill/ no far this. month*
Groeloyt This is ror the current*
Blake: it to all duo to that shoetint; statlaa down there*
Greeley: We enter into that. We ordered more than once
fans be put on to get it dried auto Wo felt 7ou
would not paint there until, it wall dried out It
pan up a oost more than you antiCipated* That was.
dem at our InStrustions. We wuld not dispute
the tact alAw has spent ore than he thougbt h bad*
Maim* That should halte been done long before the rest Of
t waa done* We sUbmIttel a bid rot' that shoottas
station LAO April*
Chairmant I do4*t think tho date you, submitted the bid had
anythin$ to do with the drying out* X recommended
sa:Lamanderso
Blake; It does ne tood to bring in_ humid air in a cold spot.
ahtarruoti IL you are tsVing It Was a delay in authorizing the
'material for the shootinaUoz7 I dontt think that
should arreet it. The drying out was part of the
ontract
Blake 1. It was dry all sumer.
130utin Yes it was.
Chairmant, Up to the time it 140$ dried. ':11-tir, by our direction
it was never dry.
Blake:
W had an oil heater there and It WAO all dried out
and vever we the go ahead *Anti/ six tho after*
It was dr/ a dozen times and wet a &von
Those walls are cold uniepo you get tt unbearably
: t mad when you pull humld air In it will condense*
Gayer: Any building In the awl Ony's must be ventilated ar
you will, have condenasian. i always advise Start-
ing the ventilatin8 al4WatUa once a week during do
aays. I sywathizo with the contractor in this case*
Ifhe had. been able V paint in July ttwouldhave
been all rif4Ito Then wiwn dog days came if we did
mat run the rano it would have boon Mt. You 'could
not paint when It was wet*
Maloney: What period was this electric light bill?
Blake: Last month, It was hlAier than any ttmo during can-
straction.
Greeley:
These thinga aro a little bit difficult to deal with
When they come In afterwards. If the demand had
been ms40., before WO could have said yes or no*
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Greeley* Ii'oo it to a platter to- be oettled, outOteie the atm-
traot On tbe baeis et' what the Committee tiltnIca
fairt. In. thio partioaar 4,tort y011, might: deelcle
that oomo additional. paymant 04 400%44 or thio
olootaqoal IATork yam ;tl'air and yoU would like to
ebare in the extra oo0t0 ,
Ohairmans tato use of OA electric ourretat7
Tqaionoyt Th141 bill zUM rrom June to Ausuot 0 ,:i..).4.4-,ire
ttertatn17 dry weather then and that platte vom
wet really wet*
Make* You pull In boat durinf, the dayo*, DUX v the' .,
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night you are pullint4 itt oold* l'n the diya
at the 'maim and in tho niEbt you pal 1.11 e
air*
Chairman: ,Som) ttr* diulas that Wad,CA ttlt9 alttad IlAVO ACM4 ,
the rlowo dry*, 11.1r* Greeley bald tt woo better
net to paint at that timq Ile telt there ,ohould
be art otfort to dry tt tib ao we 'toad paint*
Greeley: That to right* :Cr you aro olvious tG hovc,t A firot.
oleos job ve woula :not went to paint for a 'year*
It 'veal, not 'have been proper to paint this zauch
earlier.* Where we eon. we advise the mer to leave
tto walls far a year but it ia very Oeldom done,
Etalte$ The mat aro allototneoo which 'save not been uoed -
meavotionp oonorete tettiteeq, tintobed hardwareo
Omer ond water gtervixtool Venetian bliniO en
allooting romp*
Greeley* Itttion the 'hut:141n le doolaml. oomleted we ioouo
An ortlor 04 tbo ellowancoo.,
Ohairraant I. understana t Molloy on: t eervieoo ig Apent* ,
Ivieloy; 4011,7 don."0-t we send you a cheek:iv OtotoOent* There
wl,)..I b one or 'Wo :1111:; obangeo ort. the 'Venetian
liktruitt* Me Goadttoo$, X am gwootrep %mitt
to,olve any or theme lOtOo than proper oc:Ioideration i
but I 1,62tt thinWe e ottlA auk thom to make AU ,
IlitrAtato dioatziort. X1; would be better to let them
dleoust them .
Blake I: (torte tnly 4
Or)014-47 t Val 10, you aro tore I would like to say vo 11.ave
on,joy.ed. voricing vitb. :Four on tho butleitn8 and IX
bao been a elloo4 job- from betaning to end*
Maloney: Aro yolA previrIng A Mal
1.3101-ret Vo ( e4 very ahortlyi
Greeley: in the buildins to completed) which ehould, be
in my 11147-tento In AbOlat ton day,o1 at that time
we deolare the building eemplette under ,the eons
traet ond then the final payment of10'h o the
total emtraet is du withIn 93 da7s4
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Greeley; I told Rush I would recommend to the Committee,
after ail the billa Ware paid and we round from
the Court Rouse that there are no liens, to pay
the last payment considerably .within the 9,3 days.
That or course you would not do unless Town Counsel
said so All that I told Hugh is that I would
suggest that you do that* At suoh time as you
have bean Satisfied that all obligations have been
taken card Or it is safe to make the final payment,
You still have the bond and warranty bonds which
will be in yourhands: before the final payment*
Blake; You said within 30 days.
Greeley: It is 33 days* A lien combo plced up to 33 days.
Blake: This 95 days is due after sUbstantial completion*
I tried to got the Substantial completion date set,
Greeley; It- says 00mpletion,
No* Xi', says substantial*
Maloney: DO you have more than the 10 due?
Blake; We have 00,000 something,
Greeley lip to the 10% IS due now,
Maloney; If you huve it roady we will go along with that,
Greeley: You oould put In an .appIication tor payment now in
an amount up to 10%* Then 33 flays after the
meohantas are all through we will go to the Registry
and if there ism lien we will so report and you
can pay the 10. *
Chairman: Are the mechanics cleaned up as o now
Boutin; The painters & e the railings, tour grilles and a
little touch paint, In the Ilv;t two days painting,
one man,
Chairman; What about the. 1Wan?
Blake; Re will guarantee you a lawn* You should at least
give him something for what he has tried to do,
There is a hardship clause stating under undue
hardship the architeot on go to the Committee
ana ask for- additional Money.
Chairman; What are you referring to.
Blake; I donI say more money, but I would hope you would
accept it as is duo to the weather we have had.
Greeley: I don't. arse with that. VW, Blakelnows it. The
Lawn at the Catholic Church* done at the same
time* is satisfactory. Mr. Winslow bad the same
luck they had, No agreed to water it and could
have watered it after we had given him the hours
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when it could, have been watered. No refused to
follow those instructions. I dontt feel at all
anxious to pay him Anything* X don't think any.,
thing about it was done properly. I It think
he had the proper seed and did not smooth it off.
It is my opinion we dontt owe him anything. It
cantt be corrected now until next Spring. but I
would be inclined to advie the Committee to keep
that money until next spring*
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Blake: You don't feel you owe him anything? ,
Greeley: No X don't., Next Spring maybe we will have gra00
in a portion of the front part but there is nothing
there I would want to pay for,
Blake* There was consithrable seed put in whether it shows
or note .
Greeley: Be has put, money* in of coUrse, but it the town be..
eauso of his failure, employed the three days
notice and hired someone elso to do the job I
think the townwould need the mono y and it should
keep the money,
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Blake: Whatever you do to him, you, will do to mee It IS
my job,
Greeley: Whether we pay him r not the 1414.11 is alert• UM'
does that affect your reputation? lie has gone
back tal you,
Blake: 1 have feelivzs Lor people who have bad Usk, I
delft think he had half' a break this iore
Greeley: This subcontractor signed his name to do a Job, two,
cording to oficificationse no tamed ',z figure and
agreed over his signature to docertain things and .
did not do theme It is no one's fouIt but
What is a contract good for if a man syn he will
do such .4ind such thInso for $300 with no it'ir as
and things of 'that ki* If it costs him WO
to do it and he loses 11200 that is bad. luck, but ,
that is what we expect 4* do when we sign a cons.
troote
Blake; Dantt you consider any of the tough luck clauses?
Greeley: I think this Committee would 4ve every conaidemos
tion to a plea made At that tr.:, When the tallow
lets it go and comes in at this late time you have
the Committee at a disadvantage, Certainly this
Committee would. consider it, They have always °ono'.
siderod everything, Coming, in after the work is
all over you have them, ata disadvantage*
Maloney: I was disurbed, because it did not seam they were
making Any effort to Gob it going. I feel be did ,
not put any real effort intovetting It downs It
I saw that mail Aaking an, effort I would be the .
first one to say he should be considered but day
After day there woo no effort made, 1To mi111; say ,
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he did to you, but I was here.
Greeley; Blake hoe come bore at mouggestion, Why dontt .
you lot the Committee have a little chance to go
throudh those and I will report to you, okay?
Bloke: All right,
Chairman: There is the business about rearranging the lights
going to the shooting station,
Greeley: Three-way switches,
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Mr* Boutin; Theo 1oE3 iar0 changed over and kW* Englehart
approVod them the tfay theywore* roil woUld :have
to too them to Sec what they look like*
Chtirmans fln we they boxed. xa
Boutin; Jarlt bOr#03,0 UR/
woz painted*
ChAirmans How were they boxed?
Maloney; riquAred ort
Deet Was thore -tome change in the size otho pale
after tiv box Was sot in the,, 'concrete?
BOUtint No* Tho duet tiZe and the gx,ille size doOS not run
the same*
Chairmit I don't understand it Will you, explain it to Do?
Greeley: I would Ms to look at the liE,,,hts*
BOutint One has been Out dOWA t fit the sise a tho duct*
That is the ono ovortheshooting range* It comes
tlueh with the bottom or the bon * The other ono
halt way down in the contort, We filled it in with
wood square to the tame o the grille whieh shows
it square* The only other way woad be to out down
the grille end rabble it
Greeley; Lot Me look at it Lu the 'morning*.
Messrs* Blake and Boutin retir*-4 at 9:15 P.*M0
Greeley: When it owes to WAG t IMO in the job I think it it
urnliao
to add extras for the contractor* If you feel
so.em local electrician Pan nalco the change when he
is through I am sure you would get it for half* fle
is acs Iamb, fox• insurence bend, ate* It le your
decision and not mine* Bvery time now :you wake a
Change nOtifit postpones the jaw* I think it would
be better to got him out* This it not blaming him
but it to the way to handle it rids io just As-
surzestim* We 173zd at, an time toward tho and
of the lob you have tosten, making ehange$*
Chief; I talked with the electrician on, thejob awl he
Cot the plena and wont mow don4t think
wiU be Osivie as you thinks o was net
loolizine for ,an extra but wet toning Ive It WAS
too bad it 'was not spotted tonner* I ;Mb* the
tubfing Is so that you omit ret moro wi in
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Or;eley; If we brought, the witch out into the. light at the bottom
instead
of 'hating it throp4May* it we moved those
ovor IA the light woad that take care of it?
Chief I I 400 t thirik so*
Greeley; }mon we ook for nvira from Blake or ask a local
electrician?
Maloney; should it Iltleo been one in tho beginning? Should
we have had the thraPoidA7 switch in the beginning?
Greeley: The engineer thought this was the way *) do it* He
may have boon wrong*
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Worley', Everyone 41"00 it 14 not suitable*
aohnitent You, will owl uattithe apive outaldos
rigameyt
Just drop it and we will pick it. Up after Blake
is through*
arseloy$ The text r4,tera Venetian blindal $310 the imr
bid was trora Ward here in Lexington* 'Moto are
the Savie Venetian. blinds being used tor the two
late ot schools*
Johnson* AWC) those metal or wood?
Greeley* Metalst
Maloney* I think we should 4)rder the blinds from Ward*
Greeley* Me other thing io the aim which we gave you
detail
o We roturi a laackortith ivXowton Who
wi,11 do it tor0100* Vainted on both sides of the
sign? bloOk letterS r-oto white* waterproof plywood
for 41.3!:)?* a total of $135* The price tor
painting the Egnt aite low* The price or the
iron work you et no cometitian* Uc wiIL dO
tor not. over VIGO and it my be $30* He guaranteed
it would, not b ow *1000
Maloney: Will :t be 4 free standina sign?
Greeley: It is attached to the wall to the lett of tho dow
leading to the second floor* it is back: About otc
feet of the lantern so it will be 114-Ated. !Cowards
the parkizg. area will not be lighted*
Chairman* Is it agreeable that we tiDoed on the Venetian
bltado?
Maloney* I the we shoed*
ZolalSont !.`ost5*
XIoxo i th is a t:ton of ‹Ine w two blinds we
hoed know and, the Chief should ots)ek itok
Orceleys Did you say yoso on the blinds an.d the taAT
Marlton* I mad say so*
Greeley's OtBlakets items Le has not notified u i decent
tim OA any of these things*
Chairman.* For the present we won't do Anything on themg. X
it works out later on we do have f4Olue mow mic5ht
consider them thon*
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