HomeMy WebLinkAbout1957-01-03-ATOBC-min ADDITIMAL TOWN OPPICB DITILDIUG COMM=
•
January 30 1957
A 1140tIzte or the Additional Tt41473 Offiee V$ttilding
Coamittoe IMO had in the Selectmonts Room, Tom. Office
autleting$ on Thursday evening, January 3# 1957 at 0100
0t4. Chatman o'ocilto# Messrs* Mater* "Iohneen., nalono7
and Reed t44tre present* The Secretary wa'4, also present*
The diacusai(n held was about as follows;
Chairoans One of the first ' is the catch basin situa.),
tion out in the Imrkins area. The present dr/UM
Vklie 110ti 04231100t04 Wad tre 1.4403.000• in 00311•160tleri
with Mitt, another item has developed. They aro
ltwaing X102, $750 to build two wanholes. I think
it would bo better if we have to spend the rloney
to spend the $750 to :awl the amine, to one of the
catch bailLna Instead or putting in the two vtant.
holes* This is from tbe gasoline trap.
Johnson: The catch basin in the 1,10,?.= idx 04?
Chairman: Them aro two catch basins in the parking area
lot. They may be dry t‘rella but ttectording to
Englehart thery found a pipe &Ins out.
frtiferring to blueprint)
These are your foundation drains: leading into
that; 'Mc md, that orw. This is tmtating ma
that 14 ezisting. This is where it wars elAPPosea
to dz*ain. I thlin*fr th0 :stubs are in, but tboy
donot think it to connected beyond them, If
*le and another one at this junction i
installed at 07500 It we could do thia would
it bo well to spend the (150 tward doing somø.
thing that w:p‘s atipposo4 ,to balm ben dorso Mae
te
ago?
UUnter$ what 4-40 the 070 corer?
Chairman; Just the two manholes*
Ifuntort That iss a lot of money for two raanhole4 .
Chairman: That la VIVA IZ ot from Englehart the other day*
"%Islam* I? you did not have these* jou would drain it
this way?
Chairmsuut Yes.
Reeds It was going into the sanitary drain*
Chairman; rola have A bad condition in tbe parking area to
*10inWith. 8040 of the water is drained back
this way already* Taking the foundation drains
out them and no place to t3o, ter bolektm up.
It maims these plans useleSs*
limiter; It we do this, iortiere is this icWain going to o?
Chairman; I dontt think wo have anY oholoo bb -01thor do
otniaelvea or arrange for thublie Works to
put tho drain in.
g
Weed: This committee should not be spending mono r to
put the drain in
Chairmen: I . I underetand from l'ingleharto he looked up the
contract and It was not the contract et that
time to 40 it It waae ohm bora and assumed to
be o They uncovered one o' the and did find
i n the °atoli baste were rut In #�
put the C ptpea onto
J n o If you could pit that Into the sanitary t e er
Maloney$ The gays trap 10 doing into the Sanitary d min
Cham: X don't t1an they.woad let you put � surface
wat tat° tam ° a y 0004
Warier Where aro the 0 /iv" tram thia balding?
Reed: This drain Is Ef;oirig out there now, you kna
Ohnirmant This in the new avatar( drain,,, Thin is the °
doon t.° w ,k Thth in whore e thy
want the muinholoo
k .t Would the drainter go there too* the foundation
' a c i^i: .a3 X understand Ito the e .0:, hoe eharge of the
randdry not what any a rgoing
ft.oa water
into the awry Oiaino It just overloads the
atom.
001400n: o p 0- owt whir t ie drain 'peso.
Rood: This OM ' s tato the Vino pro .
Maloo1" Th, don't have to rune pic, *
Rood:d: It Only drains this lot here,
Jerson: Is this Cary Building box
Chairman; Zos
Johnson: It 1$ 40Ar Ito
Rood; WO. .c 'quost the Public Works to include the
drain fry hero to Vine Bron &a. the 1,957 bud of o
We have no. money to help theateraed1ato ..
O ras 0001 ito acb' pri is w do Omit
;fotid o the wa a ai ft ro and c w 11 bo
uro by lg o
JohnSoni Are thefts drains dotin t the floor level?
Chamlrma ;t Their ;WO at the foundation to 1.
J am ,. D r the oof wator go Into this too?
Chex# That also tales the root Ohttio too It seems as
though this Is a vault how0Yor we do ,Ito
Rood; Tho amount of money you, coo tales about for the
drain IS peanutso Xt is a good ROO feet*
(hxa ini woad .it coot .00 a foot, �1u bkio to ?
Maloney:
ey: I don't Val* that should 00440Z% !t"170' aret01,01 a UQ
should have been scoce; ned, in the beginning?,
Chairman: I think had every rift in the world to asses
than toss chid t xtso Ile had nothing to do with the
d a, a ,aM had the plat to assume t atc x 'beam°
wore there*
miters He had. no right to dump wa403 i `there
i
i
. ,
.030
'1
Nal .61, „ WithOat 141,0440$ torbOtilOr Or not the warxholos wore
capable et taking oars of Ito
Ohairatmg I woad think whore the plats showed It to be in
ho the right to assume it*
flood; Xt was his own plans that showed Ito
Che.,,toaang not in the contract to do It and h thought
the town had done 'Ito
Rood$ There is no record vstairs showing pipe going
through, 044,0* It this ply= show it, they iwe his
own plans* There Is no record upstairs of any drain
.0tin$ those two mole to Vino Brook*
Chairman; Tho problem Le# what do Ivo do about It?
Roods X speak now as a 80100 •qte Wo have no for drain°.
We short of moiler now In drains im eavlete work
under contrast* We oan approprlatt, money at the March
Tom t$48 cold blaoro i no question but that we can
o 4hola early in the Spring*
Hnter; You, ould riot do mush this tills ot yoar*
Rood; The earliest we can, promise Is about the ttrat ot /443,roh
or later.
Hunter; We have no rieit to spend trtone7 out there.,
Jo t on; No*
needs;
The town ge,tovaa not he responsible for 4, Vetter
1"41046 tAtIr* It IS not our fault* ktro Greeley
spolca ot this a
1n tilae asoo Xt did not caacorn
h,1411 then as nuell an It does now*
Johnson; nave tho 1ui14lak5 drlaw boon 4orinO0bed bo tho manh,oloo?
Rood3 1100
Jon: Was it IA the butzet0on contract to Oarf the 64%1110
to thO
Obaixt f th,inla blaoy were dealt 4 to bo ootola baainsio
ort $ There is a Utter se*
(Thatman$ 4 catch basin you do havo a load ort troll it
The TObra. Ung,User was the ono Who insisted on two
manholes
Johnson; Th* two manhole woula solve Ovary 4 4 4
rtOtid3 They dld nob want to put In two manholes, but Ffro
r Is holdim out for two booatulo th, be in
the rtpoi,
outarmantityrealm is that tt this can be 4ou it t006 a
sham to spend that Jgeoks7 tor that drain and those
two manholes*
Saloncyg That is Greeley' s
You are ha vinr4 cars r: pair,,,do
Chairman; I tvaderstood there would bo no repair work but
*asibly aomo walwam*
noliattoYs I 4 not VOrmItted to do repair wwk tw garage
'but the State inalotti on a Gas trap*
Johnson; The Oats law requires a &As tamp*
Cheirma WO Val Z1U hate t‘ gas trap*
tialoutvg s antt have a cat; trap without Mnithaini
obairtaan$ YOU cn itZrOu m t41' drain to the catch basin*
Nal A 7:01.1 oanwt tie the Gas trap to hine except the.
eanitary amor*
Chairman: Englehart talked to Gayer and the Plumbing
Inspector. They have no objection to going into
the system, but they still want the gas trap.
Maloney: If the Jul: trap ahs, d. be full and the gas and
oil ohould go down Vine Brook and Buse is watering
his tematces who will poy the damage?
Chairman; 1t would get in there that would cause that"
Maloney; Gas and. oil
Jahnaon# You **not be sure they are not going tea repair
in there.
Chairman: If you want two manholea it la all right with me.
What are you going to do with the rain water?
Maloney; Aad Mr. Greeley. dosla4 the building.
Reed: There is no question n. but we will finiah the drain
there because it has to bo done a y. With the
new bind we should resurtaco the whole area
and in order to do it right we will have to run
the drain. There will be an outlet come Summer.
In the meantime if you want to run the other two
of ►a and run the gas trap out to the sanitary
sewer isanother thing. If it is legal and can
be done and We can save $7„50 and can, connect to the
catch basin, it is all right with me 0
Maloney: When you yet a gas leak or an oil leak on the high.
way, t k e Fire Department raises manholes for two
miles around forfear of an explosion.
John ont or 0 0. Is that just for the moles?
The e uperintend int in charge said $2OO would be the
coat for each manhole* We can get our own 'ubi.ic
Works to do It for $200.
%alter a I don't sae why two roles would cost $?.gip.
Maloney: There is not to stop you from having a dry well
rather than aas trap.
untera Will a dry well work there? It is pretty wet,
Maloney: I went down la feet and atruck nothingbut sand,
deed: If we put a. dry well .on tho gaa trap would be
all right?
Maloney: It woad serve only for a certain lowth of time.
Hunter* 'den or fifteen years*
Johnsons gybe five,
Maloney; Ithink we are getting way off from the drainage
anyway,.
ywa `,. It is. outside the building and I don'tthk it in hindering the construction any. We can
certainly coma up with, 4,3 answer*
Chairman: We are not going to have cold weather all the time.
When they get the roof on you will have everything
still draining out there causing a puddle.
Mar. Reed referred to the discussioneid at the
cc ttee meeting exp October 17, 19560
Chairman: Englehart has checked wl.th Gayer and the Building
Inspector+
•
Johnson* The price or manholes has gone from ''3200 to 050*
According to those mirnates we would have to obtain
approval from the N,D*C0 to go into the brook,
I think: we better do it this way, but I cant t see
paying $750 for two manholes*
Chairmant Now do we break them down? You want to stick with
the two manholes, is that agreed?
Johnson* I think we should*
Hunter* I 4Mi . favor or that*,
chstirmant That elindnates any question of the LDC* being in*
volved*
Malone/1 We are three o four months away from it due to the
weather*
Johnson: You have to have one manhole anyway so you are only
talking about 4200 and I think it would be very short*
sighted to leave it outs.
Hunters I wonder why this =thole was not in the orienal
c=tract 0
Hoods Originally there was no angle,
Maloney& If the gas trap has not been prepared to be vented it
will be embarrassing*
Chairman* It shows on the addendum, two vents,
floactiey* The cost or runatv the vents back would enter into
it and it might be luat an costly,
C.. Jirmant It would not rpn 0500
Johnson* Where did the ti200 figure come from?
Ratetit The Superintdndent over there*
ChairLA * That was a price that Iinetebart oV the architectts office
was quoted by the g,.neral contractor*
Hunter; Two hundred dollars sounds mor, realistic,
01,1,irmscat Suppose we go back at Englehart and tell 1dm we want
these manholes in, but can't understand the price
quoted and think it excessive*
Johneont Tell him " 4 have been quoted a price of 0200 and ask
what the increase is for,*
Maloney* We could put them i ournelves*
Reed! Before I would par 113750 the town could put them in*
Ohairmans You could do that it the PliAmbio,. Ins ,ctor will agree*
You might get into difficaties ut you oan ch.•ck it
There has always been a controversy whether it was
public works or not* If it was inside the property
and you had thien men, no non-union mon are supposed
to co in on it If you. wait to do this later we will
be criticized for diggi up a graded lawns
Maloney: We are gang to hot-top his anionIs that in the
pautract?
Johnson* The driveway is in the contract*
Chairman* How do we want to leave it?
Uadiors I am in favor of putting in the two manholen, but not
at $75O* I think we should. try and gut him down on
the price, I think this committee could ask the
Selectmen to construct the &mkt across there*
heed! It would not do am harm to haVe a letter written,
ambers We should write a :Letter to the Board, at Selectmen
actin them to construct these draina out here*
*
Chatmass The 4ext item is a bill from Richard Do Kimball
z hot water heater*
Maloney: I an WA satisfied with that. The heater he first
ouggentod was a heater that Petro never heard at,
They never remember selling one or a part o. 040 atid
it is a very oontly piece at octet:pent* The hot water
in this building to ample and heated 1* a Small hot
water heater,* In all fairness to the pluMber and the
heating man* he would have a lot at work to conneet
•
up that other boater* It would be extremely tostly*
This unit here should cost about half of the coat at
the original unit he suggested* A Monol metal tank
is guaranteed for ten or twenty rare* The Pollee
station tank lasted for about twenty years* I think
it is about a fifty gallon tank* There in ample
Water •in this building
Johnson: The difference between a fifty gallon tank and an
eighty gallon ttk would be small* You might at well
give it to them*
t/eloneys I will et acme actual quotations*
Chairmant We should get the price on both at them*
Haloneys roe* I will get the prise of both of them*
Cheirynant Then we will ,newer this and say we are not satisfied
wad this is the rea .ors,0
(Hr* maloney to obtain prises and let the Chairman ,
knois* rs,'ho Chairmen will then wle
rite a letter Ox on it.)
Chairman* we have an item for an extra; 4,dditional excavation
due to sort spots in the soil, certified by GreeL50
have no other explanation of it but assum the
work had to be doi Whro letilidon is serving fikti
Clerk or the Works officially 40W he would have know..
ledge of thio*
ktalonoys With blot being Buildinteo Inspector he should be 0Ort.,
Wated*
Ohrazinant arooley spoke of eneount4Ang sort apota there and they
had to go down deeper 033 it*
Reeds Do you, want • to call him on it?
Chi : Yost*
J'ohrt-ont Was min on the Job at that time2
Chairmen: As Building Inspector*
Johnson: What does it =aunt to In dollars?
Chairman: Three hundred dollar, and some odd*
Mr0 Rood left t '4 meeting to call Mr Irwin*
Reeds
Xe said he is awar. of the situatio* and it was at
the right rear cornier they had to go down .1 ( ,.r.
The reason for the rook is that some_ time or other
someone amused a lo,d of fill thora at hosv7 rook
end that is What they had to break up* They poured
the trent foundation fleet and when they started the
back ran into trouble at the right rear corner*
4417,00
CMA : Shall we aPProte it?
Malaneys Wo lavo no other alternative 021 that ono.
Chairman* There i a question of drinking water coolers. 46
originally specified regular built..in fountains. The
Chief called and said that was tot what be wanted and
agreed withilLA. understand we have some leasing
arrangements on water coolers so we could Set a mat
J * the actual fixture going in there.
Johnson, De l- specifications cull tor it?
Obairmat 1-1, shows whet Would be an acctric water 00010r, but
then In tho specifications It calls tor a fountain built
in the wall.
Johnson* Do
they quote an extra cost?
Chairmang .0 There will be a credit but some addition for adding
t electric cutlet.
Johnson* Check with themand aoo if it will cost more to t.v0
it recessed.
Naonorl Part Ot to lolls are upo
johnsont Ther er° not plastered are thee
Malonvi 1100 oindor blookwall.
Tho mooting adjourned at 9414,0 P
A true record, Attest*
! < /1 / 4- ,
oer, ,ary